06-03-2018, 10:50 AM | #1 | |
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Supercharged Camaro or Supercharged Coyote? - Which is better?
For those interested. I have owned a supercharged S550 Mustang and now the Supercharged Camaro SS 1LE. Here's my unbiased opinion on which platform works better with just bolting on a supercharger to a stock engine.
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06-03-2018, 11:36 AM | #2 |
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Nice car man! Good, honest video.
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06-03-2018, 02:23 PM | #3 |
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Can you type out an answer rather than trying to promote and advertise your YouTube channel on the forum (even though you are not a forum sponsor).. thx
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06-03-2018, 02:57 PM | #4 |
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Good video.
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06-05-2018, 10:45 PM | #5 |
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Dude, if you spent $6k on a supercharger, you can spend a few hundred bucks on a camera that doesn't go in and out of focus. Otherwise interesting opinion.
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06-06-2018, 07:30 AM | #6 |
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OP great video!! Much more info than typing. You are so on target with that opinion IMO.
I had a '13 SS M6 1LE I twin turboed which with well over 600 to the wheels could only do an 11.4. CA6 bolton SS A8s would smoke that car. I spent over $10K on that beast. Then I went full bolton on my CA6 M6 SS and was about to bolt on a Paxton. $6k just buys the supercharger. So once you add injectors, a tune, and a front seal replacement, you are up around $8K. And if you want to go bigger you run out of fuel quickly. So I sold my SS and put that $8K+ towards a ZL1. And sadly went A10 to avoid the built-in GM SS/ZL1 M6 bog. But I am an A10 convert. I do miss my own shifting sometimes but this auto is a better all around fast car and cruiser. And I can play with the paddles if I get too bored. They will bury me in it. Have you run your 1LE at the track yet? I am curious how that turned out. The M6 bog for sure held me back to low 11.8s in my SS. On the Mustang side I have a good friend who had Paxtoned 3 Coyotes all Autos, a '13 (490 whp), a '15 (630 whp), and a '17 (600 whp). Same setup each time except the '13 was low boost. Each one had the Paxton, injectors, tune, and DRs. That's it. Each one was supercharged for $6K or a little less (+tires). His best times: '13 - 10.8 '15 - 10.6 (explosive 1-2 shift so he sold it. LOL) '17 - low 10.3 in good Atco air Right now the '17 is for sale, mid $30k with less than 5K miles I think. Anyone want a fast Coyote to go with your Camaro? My friend wants an '18. He has more $$ than sense just like me.
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As far as HP and TQ is concerned, you can get way more out of a Coyote engine than out of these LT1 engines. Even the Gen 1 Coyotes take better to boost than the current LT1 does. But the Camaros have better suspension, brakes, axles, etc. So if you took both cars and boosted them and did nothing else, you'd probably get more out of the Camaro than the GT.
If I were buying one of these cars with the intention to throw a blower on it, I'd probably get the Mustang and build it all the way. Because seeing as how the Gen 3 Coyotes are in the upper 700s on boost, that's kinda hard to turn down. But that is the thing between both cars. Ford builds an impressive engine/trans but then surrounds it with crappy stuff. GM builds a great car but then stuffs a very limited (comparatively) engine in it. Ford needs to build the entire car better. GM needs to put a better cam, heads, and put some stronger pistons and rods in the engine. But I would guess that these cars would both skyrocket in price if all that was to happen. |
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But either stock engine can be built to mostly be reliable into the nines in the 1/4. But you will be spending more on the SS as the OP pointed out. IMO once your car runs 9s you have built a race car as most tracks will kick you out if you run that fast without a cage and more. To me at some point more power has diminishing returns and most certainly is unusable and dangerous on the street. But still fun.
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As for the tranny, I assume you meant the automatic. Because the MT82 is a little better than crap compared to the TR6060. |
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The Camaro's A8 deserves the bad rep regarding the shudder. No argument there. They may have done something on the 2018s to help, but it's too early to tell. Hopefully, they got it right with the A10. Regardless of engine though, if I'm going to to spend thousands to boost, I'd do it right - build it from the bottom up. Playing Russian Roulette with the engine can end up costing the same or more in the long run, IMO. |
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I'm not sure if the TR6060 would be able to consistently handle a 7400rpm redline shift. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
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It's not even debatable. Are there MT82s holding good power and without issues? Sure. But there are quite a few that aren't, even the newest ones. I understand that no tranny is perfect (you will see TR6060 issues talked about as well), however, there are just too many complaints and broken MT82s for it to be normal. Glad your coworker lucked out. Here's a first hand look at some of the issues: This guy would sleep with his Mustang if it was possible, and even he brought it up: |
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