CAI-Looking for honest answers

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http://www.knfilters.com/warrantyletter.htm

[gajagfan]

There is one other huge aspect to the world of CAI's.......16 HP ain't worth $400! Warranty does not even matter. Enjoy the Kool Aid boys! Get yourself a catch can while they're hot!

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Originally Posted by Bobcat

So since my Camaro comes with free service as part of the warranty, this means any modification voids the warranty. It's right there.

Are you purposely being an idiot?

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

If there was no risk, why wouldn't they offer to take over the warranty in the event GM voided it?

Because there is already federal law on the matter and they don't need to hire an attorney to draw up paperwork to sell 1 intake. The "anecdotes" you need to be interested in are of anyone that has ever had their warranty voided over an intake. You will not find any because it is illegal to void a warranty simply due to the presence of an aftermarket part. IF the part you installed does cause a problem then you can not expect GM to cover that specific repair. That is when personal responsibility kicks in. Try finding an anecdote of anyone ever having had a catastrophic drivetrain failure due to an intake. Again, you won't because it just doesn't happen. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

So since my Camaro comes with free service as part of the warranty, this means any modification voids the warranty. It's right there.

Read it again. It says they can not force you to use factory parts unless the provide them for free. Meaning they can not void the warranty for using aftermarket parts. You just proved our point, not yours.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

No need for name calling. Feel free to highlight the part where it says a CAI is totally cool to install without risk of voiding warranty. Preferably in a GM document, not one from a 3rd party.

Dude, the 3rd party is US Federal Law. Not Joe Snuffy.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

I get what you are saying but denying their parts/service is tantamount to denying the warranty.

The only way to flush out the limits of the warranty is in court, on a case by case basis. That gets expensive, time consuming, and ultimately is a loser for anyone exposed.

The fact that nobody is willing to write a guarantee is telling. If there was no risk, that guarantee would totally be a selling point. But it's not there, and that's because there is risk.

I have no doubts about the quality or performance of aftermarket CAIs, but remember, we're talking about GM here. They have a reputation.

You are totally misunderstanding what is being said. GM can not void your warranty or deny a repair simply because there is a non-GM part on your car. Hashing it out in court is not necessary because there is 40 years of case law already hashed out. What you are fearing is not a real world scenario.

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Originally Posted by Bobcat

No need for name calling. Feel free to highlight the part where it says a CAI is totally cool to install without risk of voiding warranty. Preferably in a GM document, not one from a 3rd party.

I didn't say you're an idiot, I asked if you were being one.

Warranty and free Scheduled Maintenance are two different things.

[gajagfan]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

If acting like an idiot means exercising caution, I guess we have a different definition of what an idiot is.

But Bobcat, the possibility of 16 HP is worth any risk and any cost. You will be like NASCAR if you have 16 more HP!

PS: Sorry everyone, just having fun on a Friday! Bobcat you know i am on your side on this one.

[VTSummit]

Wow- I think the guy must be trolling.

Show me ANY part that carries a warranty that covers all related and non-related additional parts.

Searching for an anecdote on the internet to weakly support a grand assertion that is quite ridiculous and posting it here isn't proof of anything. I've seen major failures that were not covered by warranty due to abuse, improper aftermarket tuning etc. I have personally "black listed" cars. However, it's not because they used an aftermarket part- there's always more to the story. It's usually the fact the owner did something really stupid, beat the shit out of the car and wanted someone else to pay for something that was broken due to stupidity and not a defect in manufacturing.
The last one I slammed in court was an Audi where the guy started trying to tune it himself based on internet suggestions and blew the damned thing up. The last drive cycle on the car showed his rev limiter was removed, air/fuel was destructively lean, check engine light disabled, 5000+ misfires and the engine let go at 8400 rpm.
I don't use K&N because they suck, but if you had oil consumption issues and a scored cylinder with lots of silica in the oil test- that's not a defect, that's a lack of filtration.

Otherwise, you are simply paranoid and fail to understand even basic concepts of liability, warranty and the law.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

I disagree with your legal assessment. Are you a lawyer?

Its not a legal assessment. Its over a decade of experience on both the OEM and aftermarket side of the automotive industry and simple reading comprehension. Like I said before, there is nothing wrong with being afraid to mod your car and keep it stock but your reasoning in flawed.

[GONIF]

Something to think about ,
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”


― Mark Twain

[1KillerSS]

Bottom line is if the cause of the failure was the mod, then warranty will be voided. If its not then your good. I really don't see why your trolling a two month old thread.

Tell me one single case of a person who has been denied warranty work for a CAI on a 5th gen.....

[1KillerSS]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

I give up. Clearly I'm in the wrong.

Good now the learning can begin.

Again, show me one single case of a person getting warranty work denied for having a CAI.