[PowerDemon]

I was writing a review about my positive experience at the dealership when I came across this gem. Had me dying

[Xelor]

Well a notice to all. Don’t buy a 1LE

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Xelor

Well a notice to all. Don’t buy a 1LE

UNLESS, you plan to track the car. That's what it was built for.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Xelor

Well a notice to all. Don’t buy a 1LE

Other notice to all, do your own research. This is on the customer 100% from start to finish IMO. Unfortunately an expensive lesson learned.

[SATINSTEEL1LE]

Yeah expecting a car salesman to actually know anything about cars is asking too much these days. Well it always was. They are not "car guys", they just move the metal. Thats it.

And let this be another lesson to all, dont buy the 1LE ZL1 unless you are a track rat and going to be on track with it every weekend.

[LeonardS]

I would have bought it from him, since he was willing to take a bath on it. Not the color I would choose, but for the right price, it would be ok. One ZLE is good and two would be great!

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by minn19

Other notice to all, do your own research. This is on the customer 100% from start to finish IMO. Unfortunately an expensive lesson learned.

Fair point until you threw in that 100%. Yes, the customer should have done some basic research about the car he was about to buy. However, one can't be expected to know everything about everything, that's what businesses and their representatives are for.

If they can't be trusted for even such trivial information, with ZERO sales pressure, because a ZL1 1LE is an instant seller no matter what, we are in huge trouble (and yes, I know we are).

Again, one can't realistically be expected to be an all-knowing expert—what's next after cars? Law, electrical work, construction, appliances, plumbing etc.? This is like going back to the 18th or 19th century.

[Vigilante375]

So after 6 months the owner was going to have to eat $20k of debt? Either the dealer was giving the owner a super low trade in or the owner paid over MSRP. Which I'm going to go with they paid over MSRP.

I still don't get people who want to pay over MSRP and then complain that they can't get $80k trade in on a $60k MSRP vehicle (as an example) or can't find anyone to pay $80k private party.

This goes to show that most people are idiots when it comes to performance vehicles then complain when they buy a performance vehicle.

[Palutz]

Kind of funny, but I blame the guy for being uninformed before purchasing the vehicle. He’s not a victim … just an uninformed baby. He should grow a pair and act like a man. Sell the car privately and pick up a regular ZL1, but realistically that probably has too much power for him.

[vj123]

OP spent $80k but had zero knowledge about the product he was buying. In addition, its amazing to see how everything was his sales advisor's fault.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Fair point until you threw in that 100%. Yes, the customer should have done some basic research about the car he was about to buy. However, one can't be expected to know everything about everything, that's what businesses and their representatives are for.

If they can't be trusted for even such trivial information, with ZERO sales pressure, because a ZL1 1LE is an instant seller no matter what, we are in huge trouble (and yes, I know we are).

Again, one can't realistically be expected to be an all-knowing expert—what's next after cars? Law, electrical work, construction, appliances, plumbing etc.? This is like going back to the 18th or 19th century.

Sorry, 100% disagree.

You don’t have to be all knowing anything. 5 minutes on Google plus actually looking at the tires you are about to spend 70 plus k might’ve helped, no? Then not looking at values at all?!? Lazy consumers get what they get unfortunately. It is what it is.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by minn19

Sorry, 100% disagree.

You don’t have to be all knowing anything. 5 minutes on Google plus actually looking at the tires you are about to spend 70 plus k might’ve helped, no? Then not looking at values at all?!? Lazy consumers get what they get unfortunately. It is what it is.

Okay, let's look at what the guy actually complained about: 1) the suspension is too stiff for street use, 2) the 3R tires don't offer enough grip in dry warm weather, and 3) the dealership withheld information from him and is now trying to screw him over with a potential buyback/trade.

1) Have you considered just how utterly controversial the threads here about ZL1 vs ZL1 1LE streetability are? Some people say the DSSV is just fine, while others consider them outright spine abuse, and there's a whole spectrum inbetween... had the customer done his research as expected, he'd still not be certain.

2) These tires are known not to have much traction in the rain and cold, but this wasn't even the expectation, the car was sold as a street legal vehicle, I don't think it's "100%" the customer's fault for not knowing these tires require heat in them even when the summer sun is out. Even youtube reviews portray the car as quite drivable under warm and sunny conditions.

3) This is the crux of my point, he trusted a vendor and got screwed over. You guys shouldn't be so quick with judging the customer in such a situation, because some days we all end up in this situation with other aspects of life, one can't possibly be fully informed about everything like we are about Camaro trims and specs. Do you really think it's okay to screw customers over because they are uninformed? You can say this is the real world all day, to which I agree, I'm not stupid or naive, but that still doesn't make it okay.

So, I strongly disagree with the "5 minutes on google" point you're making, it's actually a nuanced and time-consuming research in this case. Plus, it's just so much easier to say "haha, the fukken idiot got what he deserved for not doing his homework" with a wink and nod to others "in the know" than to acknowledge that the dealership shares the blame with the customer, and IMO is responsible for the larger part.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Okay, let's look at what the guy actually complained about: 1) the suspension is too stiff for street use, 2) the 3R tires don't offer enough grip in dry warm weather, and 3) the dealership withheld information from him and is now trying to screw him over with a potential buyback/trade.

1) Have you considered just how utterly controversial the threads here about ZL1 vs ZL1 1LE streetability are? Some people say the DSSV is just fine, while others consider them outright spine abuse, and there's a whole spectrum inbetween... had the customer done his research as expected, he'd still not be certain.

2) These tires are known not to have much traction in the rain and cold, but this wasn't even the expectation, the car was sold as a street legal vehicle, I don't think it's "100%" the customer's fault for not knowing these tires require heat in them even when the summer sun is out. Even youtube reviews portray the car as quite drivable under warm and sunny conditions.

3) This is the crux of my point, he trusted a vendor and got screwed over. You guys shouldn't be so quick with judging the customer in such a situation, because some days we all end up in this situation with other aspects of life, one can't possibly be fully informed about everything like we are about Camaro trims and specs. Do you really think it's okay to screw customers over because they are uninformed? You can say this is the real world all day, to which I agree, I'm not stupid or naive, but that still doesn't make it okay.

So, I strongly disagree with the "5 minutes on google" point you're making, it's actually a nuanced and time-consuming research in this case. Plus, it's just so much easier to say "haha, the fukken idiot got what he deserved for not doing his homework" with a wink and nod to others "in the know" than to acknowledge that the dealership shares the blame with the customer, and IMO is responsible for the larger part.

Nearly every review of a ZLE states it is a rough riding track car to some degree or other. One look at the tires or just the car in general would tell you it is not your run of the mill street car. This buyer made an emotional/compulsive purchase, is probably getting reamed by his wife and like everyone else in society today doesn’t want to take responsibility for his actions.

I’ve done it, took my lumps and moved on. This consumer spent more time on this “review” (which by the way we haven’t heard the other side of the story) than they did on researching the car. Not just any car, a pretty expensive one at that. I’m usually on the consumers side, not this time.

Edit: I had a ZLE and never had any trouble driving the car normally on 3R tires in dry sunny weather.

[raptor5244]

Jesus take the wheel.