[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

I can imagine that FOMOCO is awfully worry after seing the C8's media test drives results

Well as of right now it is only 0.03 sec faster than a Vette that is $10K cheaper and has 265 less HP. But it had a 10 mph head wind so there's that I guess...

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

These runs were done at Las Vegas Motor Speedway as part of a broader press event. There were a lot of cars there. From the pictures of the event that I’ve seen, easily 20 or more cars, including base and CFTP, so there really is no telling which cars ran which times OR who was driving them. Jason Camissa, who wrote the review on C8 that sparked the understeer conversation was one of the press members there and driving. As with any press event, there’s likely a mix of excellent drivers and “meh” drivers.

Evan Smith joined the party yesterday, at least according to his posts on Mustang6. Whether he’s driving as part of the event or will be doing “his own thing” I don’t know.

Given the heat and altitude in LV, I would not be surprised if both versions turned in better times in better environments. Sub 11s are more likely than not in my opinion.

I'm not giving the GT500 any benefit of the doubt. With the C8 we were told exactly which one was ran, exactly what it did, and then they went on a ridiculous and unnecessary rant to bash it about understeer. Nobody tried to give it any benefit of the doubt. Skimming over the article I have no idea what track it was tested at, what the conditions were, how many times they ran it, who drove it and what their skill level is, none of that. It might be all there but I don't remember them emphasizing any of this with the intent to make it sound better than it is.

However with the GT500 they forego any mention of which version they actually ran. But they tell us all about a 10 MPH headwind which may or may not have been present and/or had any effect whatsoever and that it was in LV. So what now, are they gonna embark on an expedition to find the best track in the country and wait for the best conditions and then ask Evans to test that car again? Certainly some star treatment.

Most likely that was the CF version. If they made all those statements about headwinds trying to make it sound faster then I bet my last buck that they would also have mentioned that it was the Base if it was. Because that would make the CF look even better. Since they didn't mention it I will assume that it was the CF. Furthermore if both cars were out there then I also bet that both were ran and only the CF version was reported along with the headwind because most likely the Base ran slower than the C8 Z51 that was tested a week and a half ago. And it probably ran slower than the ZL1's 11.4. LOL!! So until they offer some details on it without the fluff comments I can only speculate that so far the GT500 is not doing what they were expecting it to do.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

..... Skimming over the article I have no idea what track it was tested at, what the conditions were, how many times they ran it, who drove it and what their skill level is, none of that. It might be all there but I don't remember them emphasizing any of this with the intent to make it sound better than it is.

However with the GT500 they forego any mention of which version they actually ran. But they tell us all about a 10 MPH headwind which may or may not have been present and/or had any effect whatsoever and that it was in LV. So what now, are they gonna embark on an expedition to find the best track in the country and wait for the best conditions and then ask Evans to test that car again? Certainly some star treatment.

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The LVMS event was a Ford sponsored event where the journalists and some Ford Performance preferred customers were invited to drive the GT500. This means Ford sets the rules and Ford can define the terms of embargo. What we are seeing are things that have leaked outside of the embargo. It is too early to say what if anything Ford has managed in terms of which trim(s) ran quarter miles. From pictures I’ve seen, base models definitely ran quarter miles. Once the embargo is lifted and the press members who were there start filing their stories, then it would be appropriate to call “shenanigans” if there are any.

For the Corvette C8, GM chose to handle it a little differently. Each of the three major enthusiast magazines was allowed expanded wheel time with similarly equipped 3LT Z51 cars. They could drive them during the day. At night the cars were gathered up and kept by GM and then given back the next day, so the journalists had a bit more freedom wrt what they could do and where they could do it. If I recall correctly (too lazy to go back and look) at least two of the three identified where they made their 0-60 and quarter mile runs. GM also placed an embargo on what they could report on up until the lifting of the embargo. That part is very commonplace in the industry.

Personally, I don’t see any shenanigans going on in the press access and the recording of performance figures. Different companies, different approaches.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

The car will definately run 10s at some point, however I dont see the times being ran at the Ford press event as anymore authoritative that the guys on the fast list who ran their zl1s under the published 11.4 times. Both have people running the car all day on a prepped surface trying to run the best times possible. However if and when it runs a sub 11 with car and driver, R&T, or motortrend testing it, that will be something nice to brag about over the zl1s 11.4. This is in my opinion ofcourse.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

The Z06 did not trap 128.5 mph in any of the magazine tests that I can recall; IIRC the fastest mag test was 11.1 @ 127 mph (C&D) and that is corrected. Only the ZR1 broke 11 seconds (10.8 @ 135 mph per C&D). 128.5 mph is a good trap speed, esp. in a 10 mph head wind, and already 3.5 mph faster than the corrected ZL1 trap speed of 125 mph and faster than the corrected Z06 speed and time. For comparison the ZL1 is ~5 mph faster than the GT* (120 mph vs 125 mph). So the GT500 at that trap speed is pulling away almost as fast as a ZL1 at over the GT* at the end of the 1/4 mile, in a decent head wind, uncorrected.

I believe the magazine tests correct for wind so wind would be a non issue in the magazine published times for the ZL1 of 11.5 @ 125 mph per C&D and MT (2017, auto). If this truly had a 10 mph head wind and trapped 128.5 mph, that would likely be a ~130+ mph trap speed from a corrected magazine time. If it breaks into 130 mph, that is truly elite category that only cars like the Ford GT, C7 ZR1, 911 Turbo S, and other exotics can manage. I don't recall even the Redeye Hellcat hitting 130 mph in any of the magazine tests. Fastest I am aware of is 128 mph (Charger Hellcat).

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I don't recall even the Redeye Hellcat hitting 130 mph in any of the magazine tests. Fastest I am aware of is 128 mph (Charger Hellcat).

Neither did the GT500.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Neither did the GT500.

There have been no corrected magazine tests for the GT500. As I stated, the 128.47 mph uncorrected would likely be 130 mph corrected with that 10 mph headwind. We'll see if it does hit 130 mph in the mag tests; that's a fast trap speed.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

There have been no corrected magazine tests for the GT500. As I stated, the 128.47 mph uncorrected would likely be 130 mph corrected with that 10 mph headwind. We'll see if it does hit 130 mph in the mag tests; that's a fast trap speed.

Corrected. Uncorrected. Let me know when it literally in the real world hits 130. Then we'll talk about it. Like I said, that "10 MPH headwind" could have had no effect at all. To act like it matter of factly had some impact is silly. It ran 11.07. That is that.

If that was the CF then the Base will be slower and probably right where the ZL1 is. In which case the CF is not impressive. Also that will mean the C8 Z51 is faster in top speed and the quarter mile while being $10K cheaper while the ZL1 will be about equal or possibly faster in the quarter mile and faster in top speed while also being $10K cheaper and with less HP. All that will remain is to see how well it goes around a track and I do not see the GT500 beating either car around the track in Base form.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

There have been no corrected magazine tests for the GT500. As I stated, the 128.47 mph uncorrected would likely be 130 mph corrected with that 10 mph headwind. We'll see if it does hit 130 mph in the mag tests; that's a fast trap speed.

Let’s see what’s mags test on this car are, not off a Ford sponsored event that is going on now. You guys would be all up in arms if GM had a sponsored event to get track times.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The Z06 did not trap 128.5 mph in any of the magazine tests that I can recall; IIRC the fastest mag test was 11.1 @ 127 mph (C&D) and that is corrected. Only the ZR1 broke 11 seconds (10.8 @ 135 mph per C&D). 128.5 mph is a good trap speed, esp. in a 10 mph head wind, and already 3.5 mph faster than the corrected ZL1 trap speed of 125 mph and faster than the corrected Z06 speed and time. For comparison the ZL1 is ~5 mph faster than the GT* (120 mph vs 125 mph). So the GT500 at that trap speed is pulling away almost as fast as a ZL1 at over the GT* at the end of the 1/4 mile, in a decent head wind, uncorrected.

I believe the magazine tests correct for wind so wind would be a non issue in the magazine published times for the ZL1 of 11.5 @ 125 mph per C&D and MT (2017, auto). If this truly had a 10 mph head wind and trapped 128.5 mph, that would likely be a ~130+ mph trap speed from a corrected magazine time. If it breaks into 130 mph, that is truly elite category that only cars like the Ford GT, C7 ZR1, 911 Turbo S, and other exotics can manage. I don't recall even the Redeye Hellcat hitting 130 mph in any of the magazine tests. Fastest I am aware of is 128 mph (Charger Hellcat).

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They are running these cars in Vegas at 2500+DA with significant headwinds and journalist beating on the cars all day and still got a confirmed 11:00s @ 128+mph, rumor has it there were faster passes posted today. Anyone who thinks that this car will not run solid 10s is smoking way too much weed or blinded by hate. My guess is in good DA, at a decent track this thing will run 10:70s @ 131+mph and you won't need the CF package to do it!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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They are running these cars in Vegas at 2500+DA with significant headwinds and journalist beating on the cars all day and still got a confirmed 11:00s @ 128+mph, rumor has it there were faster passes posted today. Anyone who thinks that this car will not run solid 10s is smoking way too much weed or blinded by hate. My guess is in good DA, at a decent track this thing will run 10:70s @ 131+mph and you won't need the CF package to do it!

So now they have significant headwinds. And 2500+ DA and everyone is just beating on the car nonstop. What else? Are they also running it uphill? And I didn't see an 11.00. I saw 11.07. Please post the pic showing 11.00.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Corrected. Uncorrected. Let me know when it literally in the real world hits 130. Then we'll talk about it. Like I said, that "10 MPH headwind" could have had no effect at all. To act like it matter of factly had some impact is silly. It ran 11.07. That is that.

If that was the CF then the Base will be slower and probably right where the ZL1 is. In which case the CF is not impressive. Also that will mean the C8 Z51 is faster in top speed and the quarter mile while being $10K cheaper while the ZL1 will be about equal or possibly faster in the quarter mile and faster in top speed while also being $10K cheaper and with less HP. All that will remain is to see how well it goes around a track and I do not see the GT500 beating either car around the track in Base form.

We'll see in the coming weeks or whenever the tests start to hit. If it hits 130 mph in the magazine tests, I'm sure you'll still have something negative to say about how much it costs.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The Z06 did not trap 128.5 mph in any of the magazine tests that I can recall; IIRC the fastest mag test was 11.1 @ 127 mph (C&D) and that is corrected. Only the ZR1 broke 11 seconds (10.8 @ 135 mph per C&D). 128.5 mph is a good trap speed, esp. in a 10 mph head wind, and already 3.5 mph faster than the corrected ZL1 trap speed of 125 mph and faster than the corrected Z06 speed and time. For comparison the ZL1 is ~5 mph faster than the GT* (120 mph vs 125 mph). So the GT500 at that trap speed is pulling away almost as fast as a ZL1 at over the GT* at the end of the 1/4 mile, in a decent head wind, uncorrected.

I believe the magazine tests correct for wind so wind would be a non issue in the magazine published times for the ZL1 of 11.5 @ 125 mph per C&D and MT (2017, auto). If this truly had a 10 mph head wind and trapped 128.5 mph, that would likely be a ~130+ mph trap speed from a corrected magazine time. If it breaks into 130 mph, that is truly elite category that only cars like the Ford GT, C7 ZR1, 911 Turbo S, and other exotics can manage. I don't recall even the Redeye Hellcat hitting 130 mph in any of the magazine tests. Fastest I am aware of is 128 mph (Charger Hellcat).

For consistency you should cite the m6 ss as a 118mph car in the 1/4 from now on since you continuously cite the a10 gt* as a 120mph car off of its fastest magazine run. A time and mph it never actually hit uncorrected btw.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

The gt500 will hit tens for sure at some point, but you guys claiming the 11.0 run was in 2500 DA are just talking out of your ass. It was posted earlier by someone that a source said it was more like 1800 in cool morning air. Not the best DA either obviously.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

We'll see in the coming weeks or whenever the tests start to hit. If it hits 130 mph in the magazine tests, I'm sure you'll still have something negative to say about how much it costs.

If the GT500, after all it's failures and disappointments, manages to hit 130 MPH in the quarter mile, I won't be impressed. Whether it is the $75K version or the $94K version that does it remains to be seen. My guess is that it won't be the cheaper one. And I have my doubts that either of them will actually hit 10s.