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Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Costs/takes a lot to get a fat pig to 100 and back.

[BlaqWhole]

And just remember this is a $65K car we're talking about. Ok the one in the test as optioned was probably more. But the only thing needed is the Z51 package which brings it to $65K. So you're getting this kind of performance for such a small price.

Meanwhile over in Ford...$65K for a GT350 non-R...

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

SO the question is, which would you rather have at a similar price point?

2019 Corvette Z06:
0-60 in 3.0
0-100 in 6.8
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 127
Superior braking, grip, and most likely also track times to the C8 Z51

2020 Corvette Z51:
0-60 2.8 sec
0-100 in 7.1 sec
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 123 mph
Braking so-so (149 feet 70-0)
grip so-so: 1.03g
Track handling: better than a C7 Z51 by 0.9 seconds on a ~two mile course.
Most of all: ME design
Nicer interior

Aside from the 0-30 (and thus 0-60 time), the C7 Z06 is faster and higher performing in every metric (1/4 mile trap speed, braking, grip, etc.).

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

SO the question is, which would you rather have at a similar price point?

2019 Corvette Z06:
0-60 in 3.0
0-100 in 6.8
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 127
Superior braking, grip, and most likely also track times to the C8 Z51

2020 Corvette Z51:
0-60 2.8 sec
0-100 in 7.1 sec
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 123 mph
Braking so-so (149 feet 70-0)
grip so-so: 1.03g
Track handling: better than a C7 Z51 by 0.9 seconds on a ~two mile course.
Most of all: ME design
Nicer interior

Aside from the 0-30 (and thus 0-60 time), the C7 Z06 is faster and higher performing in every metric (1/4 mile trap speed, braking, grip, etc.).

Similar price? Not quite, unless you start tacking on luxury options. C7 Z06 is about 15k more expensive than a C8 z51 package.

I imagine the C8 Z51 would stop as well if it had steam rollers like the C7Z.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

SO the question is, which would you rather have at a similar price point?

2019 Corvette Z06:
0-60 in 3.0
0-100 in 6.8
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 127
Superior braking, grip, and most likely also track times to the C8 Z51

2020 Corvette Z51:
0-60 2.8 sec
0-100 in 7.1 sec
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 123 mph
Braking so-so (149 feet 70-0)
grip so-so: 1.03g
Track handling: better than a C7 Z51 by 0.9 seconds on a ~two mile course.
Most of all: ME design
Nicer interior

Aside from the 0-30 (and thus 0-60 time), the C7 Z06 is faster and higher performing in every metric (1/4 mile trap speed, braking, grip, etc.).

2020 Corvette Z51 with no hesitation. I like tracking cars, and yes the C7 Z06 does better on the track. Barely. But at some point it gets to going beyond the numbers and getting a complete vehicle. That’s why I bought an SS convertible instead of a ZL1. The ZL1 has better numbers. The SS convertible can put up some really good numbers and satisfy a bunch of other needs / wants that I have.

In this case, I like the styling of the C8 over the C7 and let’s face it, mid-engine is an itch that I would just have to scratch. To get that close with the first base car of what is definitely going to be a line of superb performers counts for something.

Should also note that Car & Driver did do a C7 Z51 vs C8 Z51 comparison at Gratton. The C8 was a 0.9s faster on a lap. 1:26.1 vs 1:27. That’s a pretty significant difference.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Similar price? Not quite, unless you start tacking on luxury options. C7 Z06 is about 15k more expensive than a C8 z51 package.

I imagine the C8 Z51 would stop as well if it had steam rollers like the C7Z.

The 3LT Z51 Motor Trend tested is $88,300 per Motor Trend. The 2019 2LZ Z06 starts at $89k with destination. So, you can get both new vehicles at similar price points. Sure, the 3LT will probably be nicer with a few more features. That assumes MSRP, which I think most can get a Z06 for under MSRP, whereas that's not happening right now w/ the C8.

Or you can find a used '18/19 3LZ Z06 for less $ with a few miles to even the price point and features content.

The Z51 C8 doesn't even stop as well as the C7 Z51 Stingray much less the Z06. That was a disappointment (the other being grip).

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

SO the question is, which would you rather have at a similar price point?

2019 Corvette Z06:
0-60 in 3.0
0-100 in 6.8
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 127
Superior braking, grip, and most likely also track times to the C8 Z51

2020 Corvette Z51:
0-60 2.8 sec
0-100 in 7.1 sec
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 123 mph
Braking so-so (149 feet 70-0)
grip so-so: 1.03g
Track handling: better than a C7 Z51 by 0.9 seconds on a ~two mile course.
Most of all: ME design
Nicer interior

Aside from the 0-30 (and thus 0-60 time), the C7 Z06 is faster and higher performing in every metric (1/4 mile trap speed, braking, grip, etc.).

I still think the 19 Z06 will be more expensive than the C8 Z51 but honestly I would rather have the C8 even if they were the same price. Here is why: The C8 is pretty damn fast without forced induction. It almost matches the Ford claimed 0-100-0 GT500 time (and might match it with better tires). But most importantly to me it is a revolutionary car for Chevy. I love the mid engine design.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The 3LT Z51 Motor Trend tested is $88,300 per Motor Trend. The 2019 2LZ Z06 starts at $89k with destination. So, you can get both new vehicles at similar price points. Sure, the 3LT will probably be nicer with a few more features. That assumes MSRP, which I think most can get a Z06 for under MSRP, whereas that's not happening right now w/ the C8.

Or you can find a used '18/19 3LZ Z06 for less $ with a few miles to even the price point and features content.

The Z51 C8 doesn't even stop as well as the C7 Z51 Stingray much less the Z06. That was a disappointment (the other being grip).

I don't really care what the optioned out price is. You can tack on a lot of options to either one. I went to Chevy's website and the Z06 with an automatic in 1LZ trim is 85k with destination. That's 20k more than a C8 Z51.

C8 Z51 stopped from 60 in 97 feet. That's better than probably half of the C7 Z51s tested.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

I don't really care what the optioned out price is. You can tack on a lot of options to either one. I went to Chevy's website and the Z06 with an automatic in 1LZ trim is 85k with destination. That's 20k more than a C8 Z51.

C8 Z51 stopped from 60 in 97 feet. That's better than probably half of the C7 Z51s tested.

OK, so a simple "C8 Z51, no doubt" would suffice if that's how you feel.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

SO the question is, which would you rather have at a similar price point?

2019 Corvette Z06:
0-60 in 3.0
0-100 in 6.8
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 127
Superior braking, grip, and most likely also track times to the C8 Z51

2020 Corvette Z51:
0-60 2.8 sec
0-100 in 7.1 sec
1/4 mile in 11.1 @ 123 mph
Braking so-so (149 feet 70-0)
grip so-so: 1.03g
Track handling: better than a C7 Z51 by 0.9 seconds on a ~two mile course.
Most of all: ME design
Nicer interior

Aside from the 0-30 (and thus 0-60 time), the C7 Z06 is faster and higher performing in every metric (1/4 mile trap speed, braking, grip, etc.).

The fact of the matter is that you're comparing a Base C8 Vette with Z51 package to the second highest trim C7 Vette available. If you're talking about ONLY the performance metrics and nothing else then the C8 Z51 is a $65K car while the C7 Z06 is an $80K car. Because if performance is the only metric then that is just the Base 1LT ($59,995) plus the Z51 package ($5,000). I am not sure if MRC was added onto the car that was tested. And the C8 beats the C7 Z06 in something while matching it somewhere else. That speaks volumes.

Anyway I would prefer the C8. Actually I'd buy both. But if I had to pick one or the other I'd go with the C8 for sure. Heck I could go out a buy a used 18 C7 Z06 3LZ for less than what my C8 will come to. But I'll take the C8.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The 3LT Z51 Motor Trend tested is $88,300 per Motor Trend. The 2019 2LZ Z06 starts at $89k with destination. So, you can get both new vehicles at similar price points. Sure, the 3LT will probably be nicer with a few more features. That assumes MSRP, which I think most can get a Z06 for under MSRP, whereas that's not happening right now w/ the C8.

Or you can find a used '18/19 3LZ Z06 for less $ with a few miles to even the price point and features content.

The Z51 C8 doesn't even stop as well as the C7 Z51 Stingray much less the Z06. That was a disappointment (the other being grip).

It looks like you're trying to find fault somewhere for some reason. So the C8 Z51 doesn't stop as well as the C7 Z51 yet it does everything else better and you're disappointed? Let me ask, does it absolutely HAVE to stop better than the C7 Z51? Obviously it doesn't since it went around a track almost a full second faster. Perhaps the C7s just had some phenomenal brake ability. Does that make the C8 less than great?

So far the C8 has not disappointed. Overall it is a killer performer. And it will get better. There may be some tweaks that need to be done. But hey, afterall, didn't the 2018 Mustang GT do only a 12.5 and 12.6 in the first couple outings? Didn't they snap axles and driveshafts the first few times they were on tracks? I remember we discussed that last year as it was happening. Didn't the GT350 have overheating issues and fire safety issues thus needing a major recall after 1-2 years of production? Didn't the 2015 GTs have NVH issues, hood shaking issues at highway speeds, etc for the first couple years? Are you disappointed in Ford???

So not being able to stop as fast as the previous Gen is not that big a deal and certainly not enough to be disappointed considering what Ford has had to deal with.

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

2020 Corvette Z51 with no hesitation. I like tracking cars, and yes the C7 Z06 does better on the track. Barely. But at some point it gets to going beyond the numbers and getting a complete vehicle. That’s why I bought an SS convertible instead of a ZL1. The ZL1 has better numbers. The SS convertible can put up some really good numbers and satisfy a bunch of other needs / wants that I have.

In this case, I like the styling of the C8 over the C7 and let’s face it, mid-engine is an itch that I would just have to scratch. To get that close with the first base car of what is definitely going to be a line of superb performers counts for something.

Should also note that Car & Driver did do a C7 Z51 vs C8 Z51 comparison at Gratton. The C8 was a 0.9s faster on a lap. 1:26.1 vs 1:27. That’s a pretty significant difference.

Agreed. Plus the fact that the C7 Z06 has bigger tires.

I know the magazines test stock v. stock, but we're talking a base Z51 here. So put some ZL1-1LE GYSC3R 19" rubber at 305/325 (or 335 like the C7 rears) on the C8 with a track alignment and I bet it will dance quite nicely.

So for the money of a C8 Z51 1LT + rubber and forged wheels vs. a C7 Z06... there will be no contest. It will likely also put a ZL1-1LE to shame around corners.... and that's no easy feat. The Z51 stingray will be a helluva track star with the proper setup.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

OK, so a simple "C8 Z51, no doubt" would suffice if that's how you feel.

Lol.. you say that while loading your question and subsequent post with stipulations.

For me personally a discounted 19 m7 1lz z06 would be a tough choice vs a 2020 z51.

C7 Z comes with a manual, last model year so it has been sorted out, tons of aftermarket options, probably more usable space, and better looking imo.

C8 is the new hotness, NA power, way better performance per dollar, still very ergonomic, auto is dct instead of slushbox, it's the more exotic looking car imo.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

There’s a big difference tho. One has been tested by independent mag, while other is just hearsay with no way to verify.

True - it's only Ford's claim with the full Carbon Fiber track pack...which puts it at nearly 6 figures...meanwhile, a Z51 Stingray is right there by verified testing, and while the one tested cost $88K, the base Stingray with a Z51 package will perform the same way for $70K.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

10.8 according to MT article.

GT500 is 10.6 with 265 more hp.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...t-test-review/

That is super impressive. Even more impressive to me because some of the other reviews from R&T and C&D didn't seem super impressed compared to the C7 Z51

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

2020 Corvette Z51 with no hesitation. I like tracking cars, and yes the C7 Z06 does better on the track. Barely. But at some point it gets to going beyond the numbers and getting a complete vehicle. That’s why I bought an SS convertible instead of a ZL1. The ZL1 has better numbers. The SS convertible can put up some really good numbers and satisfy a bunch of other needs / wants that I have.

In this case, I like the styling of the C8 over the C7 and let’s face it, mid-engine is an itch that I would just have to scratch. To get that close with the first base car of what is definitely going to be a line of superb performers counts for something.

Should also note that Car & Driver did do a C7 Z51 vs C8 Z51 comparison at Gratton. The C8 was a 0.9s faster on a lap. 1:26.1 vs 1:27. That’s a pretty significant difference.

This ^ And while it might not show up in the measurables it looks like it translates better on the track. Initially, I was expecting it to be put up better stats than the C7 in everyway but it didn't. Luckily the track results showed the difference is more than just stats.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The fact of the matter is that you're comparing a Base C8 Vette with Z51 package to the second highest trim C7 Vette available. If you're talking about ONLY the performance metrics and nothing else then the C8 Z51 is a $65K car while the C7 Z06 is an $80K car. Because if performance is the only metric then that is just the Base 1LT ($59,995) plus the Z51 package ($5,000). I am not sure if MRC was added onto the car that was tested. And the C8 beats the C7 Z06 in something while matching it somewhere else. That speaks volumes.

Agree ^ That's trying to cherry pick trims to better suit your argument based on dollar value alone. The C8 Z51 is a freaking missile.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It looks like you're trying to find fault somewhere for some reason. So the C8 Z51 doesn't stop as well as the C7 Z51 yet it does everything else better and you're disappointed? Let me ask, does it absolutely HAVE to stop better than the C7 Z51? Obviously it doesn't since it went around a track almost a full second faster. Perhaps the C7s just had some phenomenal brake ability. Does that make the C8 less than great?.

That is hard to say. I don't know if disappointed would be the right word. Straight line acceleration if anyone says they are not impressed I don't believe them. The braking thing shocks me a little bit, and some of the other things reviews have picked up do shock me a bit. But like you said, and I said earlier it might not show up in the stat sheet- but it showed up in the track where it matters.

Hey blaq, and its way early to ask this as we only have 1 lap time. You were pretty sure a few pages ago that the C8 Z51 would be able to put up better lap times than the ZLE. Are you a little disappointed?

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The fact of the matter is that you're comparing a Base C8 Vette with Z51 package to the second highest trim C7 Vette available. If you're talking about ONLY the performance metrics and nothing else then the C8 Z51 is a $65K car while the C7 Z06 is an $80K car. Because if performance is the only metric then that is just the Base 1LT ($59,995) plus the Z51 package ($5,000). I am not sure if MRC was added onto the car that was tested. And the C8 beats the C7 Z06 in something while matching it somewhere else. That speaks volumes.

Anyway I would prefer the C8. Actually I'd buy both. But if I had to pick one or the other I'd go with the C8 for sure. Heck I could go out a buy a used 18 C7 Z06 3LZ for less than what my C8 will come to. But I'll take the C8.

It looks like you're trying to find fault somewhere for some reason. So the C8 Z51 doesn't stop as well as the C7 Z51 yet it does everything else better and you're disappointed? Let me ask, does it absolutely HAVE to stop better than the C7 Z51? Obviously it doesn't since it went around a track almost a full second faster. Perhaps the C7s just had some phenomenal brake ability. Does that make the C8 less than great?

So far the C8 has not disappointed. Overall it is a killer performer. And it will get better. There may be some tweaks that need to be done. But hey, afterall, didn't the 2018 Mustang GT do only a 12.5 and 12.6 in the first couple outings? Didn't they snap axles and driveshafts the first few times they were on tracks? I remember we discussed that last year as it was happening. Didn't the GT350 have overheating issues and fire safety issues thus needing a major recall after 1-2 years of production? Didn't the 2015 GTs have NVH issues, hood shaking issues at highway speeds, etc for the first couple years? Are you disappointed in Ford???

I wouldn't say it's disappointed I would say maybe not lived up to the hype unfair or not.

From Road & Track - first words in their review - they were definitely the harshest out of all the reviews

"Let’s get one thing out of the way: the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette is good. It’s not, however, great."

Maybe because GM has set the bar so high recently that the C8 just had a level of hype to it that would have been hard to actually hit.

This harsh judgment comes not from a cynical reaction to the buzz surrounding the Corvette, but instead as a function of GM’s past performance. Like that unfair high-school teacher who rounds down your grade because he thinks you can do better, we’re reducing the C8’s verdict from “great” to merely “good.”

From Car & Driver

"After all that poking and prodding, we have concluded that the new C8 is spectacular, amazing, and supremely capable. Maybe even revolutionary. And we've also come to the realization that, despite its long list of compelling attributes, it's still not quite everything we had hoped it would be. "

Me personally, I am blown away by the straight line speed. I am kind of in shock at how fast it is. and at the same time I am kind of shocked that it's braking and other metrics aren't better than the C7 Z51 - especially after one of the engineers said it would be better than the C7 Z06 in most ways. Also it's only 1 lap time, so we will need to wait and see but I thought it would be a bit faster than a second faster than the C7-Z51. Again this is probably mostly due to the hype that came with the car. The comments from engineers, the comments here, the fact that GM has gone so far performance wise from generation to generation that maybe I expected more.

And absolutely none of that would stop me from buying one though lol. If I was in the market and could spend around 70K on a toy the C8 would be it with 0 questions asked. The C8 is a huge win in my book. I might have set my expectations high or fell in the hype train but the car to me is still a total game changer and a total win.

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

True - it's only Ford's claim with the full Carbon Fiber track pack...which puts it at nearly 6 figures...meanwhile, a Z51 Stingray is right there by verified testing, and while the one tested cost $88K, the base Stingray with a Z51 package will perform the same way for $70K.

Yep.