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Old 01-04-2021, 03:39 PM   #43
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Not to take away from the beast that is the GT500, but I feel like a car with 100 hp (and 3 years of development) advantage should have a bigger gap than .46 seconds.
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Yes, and as impressive as that was it's also a dct vs an m6. On top of 110hp extra and 2 years of development more. Impressive non the less, but let's keep things in perspective.
Dont forget the GT500 is also lugging around a few hundred pounds compared to the ZLE.

And yes, you would think the gap would be bigger, especially with that price gap
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Old 01-04-2021, 03:47 PM   #44
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Yeah speaking of price gap. I was shocked today when I went onto auto trader to look at the price of the GT500s. Holy ****. No kidding, one place up here had a track pack for 100 grand more than what I paid out the door. 100 GRAND.
A few others were 80 grand more.
Iím up in Canada and payed a lot less than most due to not having to pay tax. But holy crap, the track pack GT500s are 80-100 grand more WITHOUT taxes. Gimme a break. Thatís robbery.
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Old 01-04-2021, 03:55 PM   #45
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Donít get me wrong I like the GT500s and they are definitely cool vehicles but......
Even the regular GT500s were about 50 grand more. Like you gotta be kidding me.
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Old 01-04-2021, 03:59 PM   #46
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Yeah speaking of price gap. I was shocked today when I went onto auto trader to look at the price of the GT500s. Holy ****. No kidding, one place up here had a track pack for 100 grand more than what I paid out the door. 100 GRAND.
A few others were 80 grand more.
Iím up in Canada and payed a lot less than most due to not having to pay tax. But holy crap, the track pack GT500s are 80-100 grand more WITHOUT taxes. Gimme a break. Thatís robbery.
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Donít get me wrong I like the GT500s and they are definitely cool vehicles but......
Even the regular GT500s were about 50 grand more. Like you gotta be kidding me.
And it is not like they are hard to find. There are over 600 new units on Cargurus, and almost 80 used units.

It does not appear they are selling very well.
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Old 01-04-2021, 04:09 PM   #47
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See, Iím pretty sure in the province I live in, there is a law against charging over msrp. I could be wrong but for some reason Iím pretty sure I read that somewhere.Now, if a used car company buys it, puts a few miles on it, then they can sell it over MSRP obviously. But the one car only had 10.9kms and it was being sold by a Ford dealer, and if Iím correct about charging over MSRP in this province, then Jesus thatís a ton of money for this car. Double the cost of my car and we havenít dealt with the taxes yet.
Now again, maybe somebody from Ontario will correct me and Iím wrong. But, if Iím not, the pricing of this car isnít justified in my eyes.
OR, the ZLEs and ZL1s are just that much of a screaming deal for a very impressive car.
I guess you can look at it both ways.
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Old 01-04-2021, 04:59 PM   #48
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I would love to see the Camaro ZL1 (non 1LE) VS Shelby GT500 (non CFTP). Both of them on Summer tires. I'm sure that the ZL1 would have a faster lap time at the track.
That's the reason Ford won't allow it. The Base GT500 wouldn't have enough of an advantage over the ZL1. So we'll likely never see that race.
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Old 01-04-2021, 05:07 PM   #49
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I don't think there are any laws against selling a vehicle at a specific price even if it is over MSRP. The dealership technically owns the vehicle. So it is theirs to sell.
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Old 01-04-2021, 06:01 PM   #50
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I would love to see the Camaro ZL1 (non 1LE) VS Shelby GT500 (non CFTP). Both of them on Summer tires. I'm sure that the ZL1 would have a faster lap time at the track.
I attended an event in September at Roebling Road Raceway with a ZLE, a ZL1 (on SC3 non R), and a base GT500. Three stock cars on track at the same time, 3 different drivers. ZL1 was 1.5 seconds behind ZLE, GT500 was 4-5 seconds behind ZL1. Just a data point, FWIW....
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Old 01-04-2021, 06:54 PM   #51
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I don't think there are any laws against selling a vehicle at a specific price even if it is over MSRP. The dealership technically owns the vehicle. So it is theirs to sell.
You could be right and I agree that the dealer owns it at that point.
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Old 01-04-2021, 08:37 PM   #52
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Per Savagegesse's video. The C7 GS had a better lap time compared to the C8 Z51.

Both on Summer tires
The Grand Sport has better aero, tires, and a suspension thats shared with the Z06 so it should be faster than the Z51 with its optimized but still base Stingray setup.
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Old 01-05-2021, 02:01 AM   #53
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If it was the same price as the ZL1 then I would probably still get the ZL1 just because it has all the options the GT500 has plus a lot more options that are not available on the GT500. That is if I had to pick only one. If I could buy a GT500 right now for ZL1 money then I absolutely would.

Same with the HC. I would pick the HC over the GT500 just because of better options. I also do not think the DCT is all that on the GT500. I mean, it is just an expensive option and I don't see any advantage that it gave the GT500 over the competition. The A10 is lightning fast as it is and allows the ZL1 to be geared perfectly. Same with the A8 in the HC. Ford would have been better off putting a modified A8 or A10 in the GT500 and keeping the price down. But with that trans it just seems misplaced...like a clown wearing a tuxedo.

And yes you gotta pay to play. But I will not overpay to play. Idaho got his ZL1 for $10K cheaper than he would have gotten a GT500. Again, that is with the same options plus options the GT500 doesn't have. That extra $10K in mods will get him to over 800 RWHP on pump gas and over 900 on race or E85. Put that same money in the GT500 and you'll still be right around the same level of power but heavier. And then we're already seeing those engines starting to have failures while the ZL1 is pretty solid. So there is no advantage even when modding the GT500. You're just gonna spend even more money.

What failures are they having? When I had my 2012 Mustang GT I didn't put a tune on it because people who were tuning, even using the ones you buy from American Muscle.com were having cylinder number 8 destructing. Why does Ford have all these engine and transmission issues. Mustangs also had a big issue with MT82.
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Old 01-05-2021, 11:30 AM   #54
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I attended an event in September at Roebling Road Raceway with a ZLE, a ZL1 (on SC3 non R), and a base GT500. Three stock cars on track at the same time, 3 different drivers. ZL1 was 1.5 seconds behind ZLE, GT500 was 4-5 seconds behind ZL1. Just a data point, FWIW....

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Old 01-05-2021, 12:12 PM   #55
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Dont forget the GT500 is also lugging around a few hundred pounds compared to the ZLE.

And yes, you would think the gap would be bigger, especially with that price gap
True, though I would say real world weights have shown the gt500 isn't quite the pig everyone made it out to be at first. From what I have seen, usually lighter than Fords numbers.
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Old 01-05-2021, 01:00 PM   #56
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True, though I would say real world weights have shown the gt500 isn't quite the pig everyone made it out to be at first. From what I have seen, usually lighter than Fords numbers.
We put both cars on the scales while we were at the track. My ZLE was 3830 and the GT500 was about 4200. Both with just over half tank of fuel, no drivers.
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