[Scottyz]

I regularly take my daughter and niece out in the car. They are 13 and 14 years old just over 5 feet. They love it. My little guy sits in the front. I’m sure they will be happy especially if you are ripping on it like I do.

[NW-99SS]

Kids in the back of a Camaro - pfff, easy fit. We were in our 20's piling in the back of 4th gens and didn't complain a bit because at least we weren't forced to ride in Mom's Astro or a crappy Cavalier (yes I had one of those too - 92 Z24 sadly automatic).

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Waiting for this guy to show up and ruin your thread over there!! HAHAHAHA!!

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...ro-zl1.152382/

HA! So far the few replies have been cordial with a couple of congrats. I think most realize the ZL1 is a big step up from a '18 GT A10 PP1 w/ MagneRide and, surprisingly, no one has suggested I get a GT500 instead. Probably because the price difference. After building a similarly equipped base GT500 ($78k), that's way more than I'll pay for my ZL1. When it comes down to it, the value to performance of the ZL1 can't be beat. Sure, the GT500 is more powerful and quicker (in a straight line), but the ZL1 is plenty powerful and a lot less expensive after rebates/discounts. Anyway, I'm preaching to the choir on that stuff. I could build a GT350 for a similar price to the ZL1, but it's obviously much less powerful. If it had, say, 510+ rwhp (i.e., 580+ crank hp) for the same price (most dynos I've seen are in the 465-470 rwhp range) I probably would have considered it more than I did.

Originally Posted by Scottyz

I regularly take my daughter and niece out in the car. They are 13 and 14 years old just over 5 feet. They love it. My little guy sits in the front. I’m sure they will be happy especially if you are ripping on it like I do.

Good to know. I guess it's tolerable for teens for a little while.

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Kids in the back of a Camaro - pfff, easy fit. We were in our 20's piling in the back of 4th gens and didn't complain a bit because at least we weren't forced to ride in Mom's Astro or a crappy Cavalier (yes I had one of those too - 92 Z24 sadly automatic).

Yes, I think I had 5 in my 3rd gen Z28 once as a 16 year old dummy...although that wasn't fun for the three in the back. I don't recall if I ever put an adult in the back of my '95 Trans Am while in college in the early 2000s...

This past summer I was out with a couple of friends and I was the DD. They had both driven separately to meet up with me, but I took both of them home - we stuffed a grown 5'-11" man in the back of my Mustang - it wasn't pretty, but he survived.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Yea it's an m6, and those 120mph runs were still with crappy 2.5 60 foots, traction control on, and not very aggressive shifting on the 1-2 and 2-3. The nt05s on 19s could simply not hold and things got sketchy a few times with TC off so I left it on. The autos are faster, and definately more so in the gen 3 5.0 world, but that mph is not fully indicative of what the car is capable of. I think 123mph is possible.

Maybe think about trying some Mickey Thompsons in a 17" (for more sidewall) to deal with the supercharged hp that you now have? Understand though that you might worry about then snapping an axle, as that's a possibility with a bunch of hp and good traction.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Yes, I think I had 5 in my 3rd gen Z28 once as a 16 year old dummy...although that wasn't fun for the three in the back. I don't recall if I ever put an adult in the back of my '95 Trans Am while in college in the early 2000s...

This past summer I was out with a couple of friends and I was the DD. They had both driven separately to meet up with me, but I took both of them home - we stuffed a grown 5'-11" man in the back of my Mustang - it wasn't pretty, but he survived.

LOL - definitely had 5 in my 99 Camaro SS a couple of times. Riding the hump! That was more stressful for me, think Dazed and Confused...Watch the leather man! Glad those days are over, and as a now 40 year old, won't find me in the back of one ever again. It was fun being young and stuffing ourselves into all kinds of cars - and I think I will leave it at that for the young and stuffing comments in cars

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

HA! So far the few replies have been cordial with a couple of congrats. I think most realize the ZL1 is a big step up from a '18 GT A10 PP1 w/ MagneRide and, surprisingly, no one has suggested I get a GT500 instead. Probably because the price difference. After building a similarly equipped base GT500 ($78k), that's way more than I'll pay for my ZL1. When it comes down to it, the value to performance of the ZL1 can't be beat. Sure, the GT500 is more powerful and quicker (in a straight line), but the ZL1 is plenty powerful and a lot less expensive after rebates/discounts. Anyway, I'm preaching to the choir on that stuff. I could build a GT350 for a similar price to the ZL1, but it's obviously much less powerful. If it had, say, 510+ rwhp (i.e., 580+ crank hp) for the same price (most dynos I've seen are in the 465-470 rwhp range) I probably would have considered it more than I did.

The GT500 is definitely quicker...but only when timed. In a lot of situations you will be able to beat one due to the superior suspension, eLSD, that the ZL1 has. Same if you had a C8. Meaning light to light you will be able to beat them. Even up to a quarter mile, you should be able to cover the distance first even if the GT500 does it quicker. Get my point. GM put a lot into developing and building the ZL1. Which is why it gives all the mega powered cars a hard time.

I'll add, I know you wanted the Z06. And it does pain me to say it, but as awesome as the ZL1 is, the Z06 is definitely a step ahead. I have driven a few of them. And they are just very noticeably superior from what I can tell. Just the feel of it is superior. If it weren't for you needing rear seats I definitely would have told you to go for a used 3LZ Z06 instead. But you can always go that route in the future. And regardless, the ZL1 is still an amazing car. Soo amazing that I just can't seem to part with mine no matter what I could get instead. LOL!!

[Evansa22]

Couple mods and you will be up there with the zo6, the only.way I could swing the zl1 was also because of the back seats. The kiddos will enjoy it just as much as you, congrats

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The GT500 is definitely quicker...but only when timed. In a lot of situations you will be able to beat one due to the superior suspension, eLSD, that the ZL1 has. Same if you had a C8. Meaning light to light you will be able to beat them. Even up to a quarter mile, you should be able to cover the distance first even if the GT500 does it quicker. Get my point. GM put a lot into developing and building the ZL1. Which is why it gives all the mega powered cars a hard time.

I'll add, I know you wanted the Z06. And it does pain me to say it, but as awesome as the ZL1 is, the Z06 is definitely a step ahead. I have driven a few of them. And they are just very noticeably superior from what I can tell. Just the feel of it is superior. If it weren't for you needing rear seats I definitely would have told you to go for a used 3LZ Z06 instead. But you can always go that route in the future. And regardless, the ZL1 is still an amazing car. Soo amazing that I just can't seem to part with mine no matter what I could get instead. LOL!!

I guess I better not test drive a C7 Z06 then -- I'll call it the ZL1 effect since I was perfectly content with my Mustang before I drove the ZL1! I was looking at low mileage 2019 2LZ and 3LZ Z06s for the last few months since I wanted a factory warranty but every time I thought I could go with one, I'd take all 3 of my kids out on a drive or pick them up from school or something. I realized that a Corvette isn't in the cards for me right now. Someday, though. I'll likely get a Z06 of whatever generation the 'Vette is in after my kids are grown.

I plan on keeping the ZL1 for quite a long time because what 2+2 could possibly surpass it from an overall performance standpoint that doesn't cost a lot more? My conclusion: It's a very short (and expensive) list. Various 911 Turbo /Turbo S/ GT3 etc. and I guess a GT500 CFTP. A GT-R NISMO is 2+2 and might match it but doesn't even surpass it for 3x the price. I suppose if GM makes a 7th Gen ZL1 then that would likely surpass it for only a little more money...

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Couple mods and you will be up there with the zo6, the only.way I could swing the zl1 was also because of the back seats. The kiddos will enjoy it just as much as you, congrats

Thanks! I'm confident my kids will love it, too.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Maybe think about trying some Mickey Thompsons in a 17" (for more sidewall) to deal with the supercharged hp that you now have? Understand though that you might worry about then snapping an axle, as that's a possibility with a bunch of hp and good traction.

Yes, some 17s and tires are definately on the way along with some gt350 axles. I had no delusions on the nt05s holding at this power level but unfortunately the build wasn't completely planned step by step lol.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

HA! So far the few replies have been cordial with a couple of congrats. I think most realize the ZL1 is a big step up from a '18 GT A10 PP1 w/ MagneRide and, surprisingly, no one has suggested I get a GT500 instead. Probably because the price difference. After building a similarly equipped base GT500 ($78k), that's way more than I'll pay for my ZL1. When it comes down to it, the value to performance of the ZL1 can't be beat. Sure, the GT500 is more powerful and quicker (in a straight line), but the ZL1 is plenty powerful and a lot less expensive after rebates/discounts. Anyway, I'm preaching to the choir on that stuff. I could build a GT350 for a similar price to the ZL1, but it's obviously much less powerful. If it had, say, 510+ rwhp (i.e., 580+ crank hp) for the same price (most dynos I've seen are in the 465-470 rwhp range) I probably would have considered it more than I did.



Good to know. I guess it's tolerable for teens for a little while.



Yes, I think I had 5 in my 3rd gen Z28 once as a 16 year old dummy...although that wasn't fun for the three in the back. I don't recall if I ever put an adult in the back of my '95 Trans Am while in college in the early 2000s...

This past summer I was out with a couple of friends and I was the DD. They had both driven separately to meet up with me, but I took both of them home - we stuffed a grown 5'-11" man in the back of my Mustang - it wasn't pretty, but he survived.

Very cordial and reasonable, even newmoon who I couldn't stand on here but is probably a pretty decent guy.

[BlaqWhole]

So Idaho, how many Mustang guys with full bolt-on, gutted, E85 GTs on a race tune have told you they can beat a stock full weight manual trans ZL1 from 41-57 MPH if they get the jump and they can hang with an A10 ZL1 and you wasted your money and you should have just modded your GT?? LOL!!

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So Idaho, how many Mustang guys with full bolt-on, gutted, E85 GTs on a race tune have told you they can beat a stock full weight manual trans ZL1 from 41-57 MPH if they get the jump and they can hang with an A10 ZL1 and you wasted your money and you should have just modded your GT?? LOL!!

Haha, so far so good. My few car friends I've told are all in on it and want to go for a ride after it's broken in. It's been pretty quiet around here without Cars and Coffee events this winter, and I haven't been out driving w/ some of my friends w/ Mustangs since Halloween due to the cold weather. There's a few folks on M6G that say I should just supercharge the Mustang, and that a FBO+E85 GT can easily hang w/ a stock ZL1, but those that know realize it's not all about the hp because the ZL1 is the complete package. Plus, what happens to that FBO E85 Mustang when the ZL1 goes FBO??

[6spdhyperblue]

ZL1 just needs a tune to increase actual power delivered during the interval to outrun a fbo a10 gt. Add a splash of E and its a easy kill

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 6spdhyperblue

ZL1 just needs a tune to increase actual power delivered during the interval to outrun a fbo a10 gt. Add a splash of E and its a easy kill

Not for nothing but I think you said it backwards...what you mean is, a GT needs every bolt-on available plus weight reduction and an E85 race tune to keep up with a stock ZL1. HAHA!! Not for nothing, but they're the ones chasing us. Not the other way around. And not for nothing, they'll be chasing with a blown warranty to beat a stock ZL1 in one insignificant area (a dumb roll on up to 90 MPH) while we literally destroy them after that speed and in everything else. AND have full options. HAHA!! They are not our competition.