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I wouldn't be quite so harsh on the Carbotech pads, but I understand that's your personal experience. I've put them through some serious abuse on my last 1LE in the XP12/XP10 setup and they performed great. There are plenty of others out there that have had much track success with these as well. In the end, to each their own but always be willing to keep an open mind. Yup... boiled the Motul RBF600 after two consecutive track days back to back. Lesson learned. Again, there are going to be many variables that play into that such as higher ambient temps in Vegas, effective cooling, close sessions with appropriate cooling laps in between, driving style.... the list goes on. Motul RBF600 does not prevent boil for everyone. Thus, time to try the Castrol SRF. |
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Very true. There are a lot of pad options out there and a lot of variables that ultimately go into selecting the right pad for a given driver. |
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Carbotech pads are extremely sensitive to an existing rotor that has any transfer layer from another brand pad, even OEM. They recommend you either use new rotors or clean the old rotors by cutting or even a sanding disc. They are also very sensitive to improper bedding. These two issues are why some people love them and others hate them. If everything is done correctly they are awesome pads.
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03-31-2017, 09:08 AM | #76 |
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It's not exactly tough to rinse off a rotor between pad changes to remove the transfer layer.
In the end there's going to be several camps regarding who likes what pad brand/style. I've enjoyed years of satisfaction with Carbotech in the Lotus and the Miata, but it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate a good Wilwood H compound in the right car setup. Fortunately there are lots of good brake pads out there for us to choose from to cater to our preferences.
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From the Carbotech website FAQs:
2. Do I have to resurface (turn) the rotors, or get new rotors? If you have had another manufacturers brake pads on those same rotors; then you will ABSOLUTELY have to replace or resurface (turn) those rotors before installing the Carbotech brake pads. If the rotors and drums are in relatively good condition, meaning they are smooth, flat, with no visible cracks, deep scoring, distorted, and with no other visible damage; and you have ONLY had Carbotech brake pads on them, then they do not have to be resurfaced or replaced. |
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I believe the real reason has more to do with the makeup of the pad material and binders used to join the pad material from manufacturer to manufacturer. That's why many people switch from their OEM (or whatever) street pads to Carbotech track pads and have no issue and others have issues like shudddering and vibrating and saying they don't work. This and improper bedding. My guess is, if your street pads have a similar pad material and material binders they will swap as well as Carbotechs own street pads. Disclaimer....I am no brake expert by any means. Just some discussion points. There are alot of different materials in pads: http://parts.olathetoyota.com/what-a...mmon-materials |
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And "resurfacing" can really just mean taking some 120 grit sand paper to the surfaces or using a die grinder with a sanding disc on it to do the job very easily. Or, you can have them professionally resurfaced at a machine shop if you really wanted.
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I got the Power Stop Track Day pads. Amazon Prime FTW. Nice packaging. Based on the date code these have been on the shelf for a while. I'm not used to calipers for heavy cars, but these front pads are enormous. For perspective the rear pads are about the same size as my 6-piston Wilwood Dynapro6's on the Miata.
First I need to get my car back, but hopefully it's in time for my Easter weekend track days. I'll report back how they are. Power Stop Track Day pads by Ryephile, on Flickr Power Stop Track Day pads by Ryephile, on Flickr
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The rotor really is porous, just not to the naked eye. Using any type of sanding product works the material you are trying to remove deeper into the rotor. Your choices are to 'resurface' when you change pad manufacturers or use a rotor/pad combo for track. One of the reasons I went with Hawk is the ability to run a street, AutoX and Track pad on same rotor without issue. Sounds like Carbotech offers the same ability.
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The pads come with all the hardware shown
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