[NG329]

To answer the original question, I would definitely take a GT4 hands down over an SS 1LE. There's no comparison (for me). It's just a smaller, more nimble, more refined package. In fact, when I replaced my 2019 ZL1-1LE with my 2021 (fully loaded with PDR and cameras), I looked long and hard at a 2016 GT4 that was being sold for about $99k with low miles.

Sometimes I still get tempted to do it during this coming off season. I've gone up against quite a few GT4s this season at the track and they are quite capable. Personally, I like the fact that my mechanics are more comfortable working on my Camaro. I rarely ever have to go to the dealership for anything. The GT4 I would probably take it to a Porsche dealer for everything it needs. So cost of ownership is quite a bit higher. Like I've always said, getting the car is the easy part. Living with it is an entirely different story.

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I am, yes, because that is what I moved to. I did it for the things that the 1LE does not and can not do... Light weight, low center of gravity, mid-engine, PDK, interior material quality.

The rest of your comments, that is a slippery slope. Making some suspension changes are one thing, when you go into the motor and/or changing tire/wheel sizes, that is something totally different. Everything goes out the window when you start talking about power adders.

Even so, the Cup' 2's are only a hair grippier than the SC3, we are talking very tiny here. You start altering tire/wheel sizes from stock and you go into something totally different. The car stops being cohesive. All the main systems and sub systems are calibrated for the stock tire sizes and grip levels. You also change steering feel, run into potential rubbing issues, additional wheel bearing wear, etc, etc, etc.

I also guarantee to you , even with those changes, the 1LE isn't holding the same cornering speeds as a light weight, mid-engine platform. Sorry, it just isn't.

I loved my 1LE and it was the best car for the money, but mid-engine, low center of gravity, and dual clutch tranny is where it is at for me.

In regards to the 10-speed, yes it shifts just as fast on the up shifts as a dual clutch, but there is not a torque converter tranny out there than can match the downshift speed, crispness, and responsiveness of a dual clutch. On a dual clutch the car is already in the lower gear before you release the paddle, not so on a traditional auto, there is lag both in response time on the paddle to tranny and then in the actual tranny gear change.

This isn't an ego (mine is better) pissing contest thread, this is my conclusions and comparison of both cars and this is the comparison category section of the forum. The costs are very different, but that is irrelevant for my purposes of comparison.

I think you might be trying to justify your purchase. The GT4 is undeniably an amazing piece of machinery and art, however, looking at the Nurburgring lap time of 7:32s it still falls behind a ZL1 1LE at 7:16s. Consider a head/cam zl1 cradle bushing upgraded camaro ss 1le (550ish whp) with little wider Cup 2s being faster than a ZL1 1LE due to the lower weight and longer high but flat torque curve (no supercharger). How is the GT4 going to keep up with that?

I know the RS version is a different story but we are talking about the regular GT4 version right? For example you can look at the Throttle House lap times and see that a stock ss 1le puts down even better time than a GT500 and almost the same time as the ZL1 1LE running on Cup 2s. This is a track that you can't take advantage of the long straights with the horsepower and torque. I am not knocking down the ZL1 1LE either, but I certainly believe that an SS 1LE can be turned into a better track monster than the ZL1 1LE, even being naturally aspirated. Now you are comparing a car that costs you 60 to 65 grand out of pocket and can out perform a GT4. Again considering that you can get a 1ss 1le at 45 grand.

To me SS 1LE is the best bang for the buck, stock, street and track capable car of the century. That is why I purchased it. My other options were a Z51 C8, wait for C8 Z06 or purchase a ZL1 1LE. I am actually considering a fully custom carbon fiber conversion kit in the future. My dream is to build the ultimate camaro ss 1le. Imagine an NA 3300 lbs light weight monster with Alpha chassis

[NG329]

Originally Posted by ALMN

I think you might be trying to justify your purchase. The GT4 is undeniably an amazing piece of machinery and art, however, looking at the Nurburgring lap time of 7:32s it still falls behind a ZL1 1LE at 7:16s. Consider a head/cam zl1 cradle bushing upgraded camaro ss 1le (550ish whp) with little wider Cup 2s being faster than a ZL1 1LE due to the lower weight and longer high but flat torque curve (no supercharger). How is the GT4 going to keep up with that?

Funny enough, at my last NJMP Lightning Track Day, my ZL1-1LE and a Yellow Cayman GT4 were turning the fastest laps at the event.

As much as I love Nurburgring bragging rights, it really is a terrible benchmark for automotive comparisons. There are way too many variables and you almost need the planets to align perfectly to nail a perfect lap. Personally, I like the VIR Lightning Laps that Car and Driver does. That track has everything: Elevation changes, decreasing raidius, chicanes, straights, hard braking zones, high G corners, and the list goes on. On that course the Cayman GT4 is nearly 5 seconds a lap faster than the SS 1LE which is an Eternity. Cayman GT4 > SS 1LE and it oughta be for the price.

Originally Posted by ALMN

I know the RS version is a different story but we are talking about the regular GT4 version right? For example you can look at the Throttle House lap times and see that a stock ss 1le puts down even better time than a GT500 and almost the same time as the ZL1 1LE running on Cup 2s. This is a track that you can't take advantage of the long straights with the horsepower and torque.

You said it right there. You can't stretch the cars legs. The GT500 and the SS-1LE are in completely different leagues. In 9 out of 10 scenarios the GT500 murders the SS-1LE including lateral G's and braking. Hell, the GT500 is a manual transmission away from being even more desirable than the ZL1-1LE. Unfortunately, throttle house lap times are average at best and I'm pretty sure I could beat those times. Hey, what times did Randy Pobst run with the GT500 and SS-1LE at Laguna Seca for Motor Trend Hot Laps? hahahaha

Here, let me help you:

SS-1LE

GT-500

Cayman GT4 - 1.64 seconds a lap faster than the SS-1LE. Some basic math.... over a 20 lap race how much time behind is that?

Originally Posted by ALMN

I am not knocking down the ZL1 1LE either, but I certainly believe that an SS 1LE can be turned into a better track monster than the ZL1 1LE, even being naturally aspirated.

Awww hellz naw. You're drinking the Kool-Aid now. Straight Cappin' as the kids these days would say. On NO planet in our Milky way is the SS-1LE a better track car than the ZL1-1LE. Chevy got it wrong I guess. hahahaha Sorry my fellow Camaro brotha, but you deserved that jab.

Originally Posted by ALMN

Now you are comparing a car that costs you 60 to 65 grand out of pocket and can out perform a GT4.

At the end of the day it comes down to the driver but on paper it simply cannot.

Originally Posted by ALMN

Again considering that you can get a 1ss 1le at 45 grand.

To me SS 1LE is the best bang for the buck, stock, street and track capable car of the century. That is why I purchased it.

I respect your opinion. But others would argue that the ZL1-1LE is the best bang for the buck car of the Century. It punches well above its weight for $75k and only losing out to Porsche GT3, GT2, C7-ZR1, Viper ACR, and half million dollar Supercars.

Originally Posted by ALMN

My other options were a Z51 C8, wait for C8 Z06 or purchase a ZL1 1LE. I am actually considering a fully custom carbon fiber conversion kit in the future. My dream is to build the ultimate camaro ss 1le. Imagine an NA 3300 lbs light weight monster with Alpha chassis

Those are some cool options and a raced out SS-1LE would be a nice replica of the GT4.r

Lightning Lap (VIR)
Year Make Model, Lap Time
2019 McLaren Senna, 2:34.9
2021 Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series, 2:37.0
2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS Weissach, 2:37.8
2021 McLaren 765LT, 2:38.4
2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, 2:39.5
2018 McLaren 720S, 2:39.7
2022 Porsche 911 GT3, 2:40.6
2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 2:41.6
2021 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 2:42.5
2020 McLaren 600LT Spider, 2:42.6
2017 Ford GT, 2:43.0
2015 Porsche 918 Spyder, 2:43.1
2016 Lexus RC F GT concept, 2:43.2
2018 Mercedes-AMG GT R, 2:43.4
2018 Lamborghini Huracán Performante, 2:44.0
2016 Dodge Viper ACR, 2:44.2
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 2:44.6
2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500, 2:44.6
2019 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE, 2:45.0
2020 Lamborghini Huracan, 2:45.0
2016 Ferrari 488GTB, 2:45.1
2017 Ford GT, 2:45.5
2018 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE, 2:45.7
2015 McLaren 650S Spider, 2:45.8
2009 Mosler MT900S, 2:45.9
2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S, 2:46.8
2018 Porsche 911 GT3, 2:47.0
2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 2:47.0
2017 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport, 2:47.1
2016 McLaren 570S, 2:47.4
2015 Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4, 2:47.5
2021 Porsche Panamera Turbo S, 2:47.8
2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR, 2:48.6
2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Z51, 2:49.0
2019 Mercedes-AMG GT63 S 4Matic, 2:49.3
2022 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing, 2:49.4
2015 Nissan GT-R NISMO, 2:49.4
2012 Mosler Photon, 2:49.8
2012 Ferrari 458 Italia, 2:49.9
2014 SRT Viper TA, 2:49.9
2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, 2:50.1
2017 Acura NSX, 2:50.2
2022 BMW M5 CS, 2:50.3
2020 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4, 2:50.3
2015 Porsche 911 GT3, 2:50.4
2012 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, 2:50.7
2014 Ferrari F12berlinetta, 2:50.8
2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28, 2:50.9
2016 Mercedes-AMG GT S, 2:51.0
2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S, 2:51.2
2021 Ford Mustang Mach1, 2:51.4
2010 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggara, 2:51.8
2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, 2:51.8
2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R, 2:51.8
2009 KTM X-Bow, 2:52.3
2022 Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT Coupe, 2:52.6
2016 BMW M4 GTS, 2:52.9
2017 Nissan GT-R Track Edition, 2:53.2
2012 Nissan GT-R, 2:53.2
2018 Porsche 911 Carrera T, 2:53.4
2011 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 2:53.5
2022 BMW M3 Competition xDrive, 2:53.5
2014 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray, 2:53.8
2018 Ford Mustang GT Performance Package Level 2, 2:53.8
2010 Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV, 2:53.9
2019 BMW M5 Competition, 2:54.0
2016 Porsche Cayman GT4, 2:54.0
2008 Ferrari 430 Scuderia, 2:54.6
2017 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, 2:54.8
2012 Lexus LFA, 2:55.1
2018 BMW M5, 2:55.2
2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S, 2:55.2
2018 Mercedes-AMG E63 S, 2:55.4
2020 BMW M8 Competition, 2:55.5
2009 Nissan GT-R, 2:55.6
2022 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing, 2:55.6
2019 Lamborghini Urus, 2:55.8
2011 Porsche 911 GT3RS, 2:55.9
2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus, 2:56.1
2022 Bentley Continental GT Speed, 2:56.2
2018 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS, 2:56.7
2016 Cadillac CTS-V, 2:56.8
2019 Mercedes-AMG C63 S coupe, 2:57.1
2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio, 2:57.2
2008 Dodge Viper SRT10, 2:57.4
2011 Porsche 911 Turbo S, 2:57.5
2014 Audi R8 V10 Plus, 2:57.5
2013 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, 2:57.5
2009 Ariel Atom 3, 2:57.6
2011 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG, 2:58.0
2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series, 2:58.0
2007 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 2:58.2
2020 Mercedes-AMG CLA45, 2:58.2
2017 Porsche 718 Cayman S, 2:58.3
2018 Audi TT RS, 2:58.5
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio, 2:58.6
2010 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport, 2:58.8
2013 Porsche 911 Carrera S, 2:58.9
2009 Nissan GT-R (all-season tires), 2:59.0
2014 Mercedes-Benz SL63 AMG, 2:59.1
2014 Jaguar XKR-S GT, 2:59.1
2015 Mercedes-AMG C63 S, 2:59.2
2017 Porsche Panamera Turbo, 2:59.2
2019 Porsche Cayenne Turbo, 2:59.2
2016 Cadillac ATS-V Coupe, 2:59.2
2021 Jaguar F-type R, 2:59.5
2021 Toyota Supra 3.0, 2:59.3
2010 Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro, 2:59.5
2019 BMW M2 Competition, 2:59.7
2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat Widebody, 2:59.8
2016 Cadillac ATS-V, 2:59.8
2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S-model, 3:00.1
2021 BMW X5M Competition, 3:00.5
2013 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:00.6
2006 Ford GT, 3:00.7
2012 Porsche Panamera Turbo S, 3:00.7
2015 BMW M4, 3:00.7
2021 Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition, 3:00.7
2015 Jaguar F-type R coupe, 3:01.0
2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 3:01.1
2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z51, 3:01.2
2020 Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium, 3:01.4
2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, 3:01.5
2006 Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe, 3:01.6
2018 Mercedes-AMG GLC63S Coupe, 3:01.7
2007 Porsche 911 GT3, 3:01.8
2016 BMW M2, 3:01.9
2013 Jaguar XKR-S, 3:02.1
2016 Jaguar F-type Project 7, 3:02.2
2020 Audi RS Q8, 3:02.2
2020 Lexus RC F Track Edition, 3:02.6
2014 Porsche Cayman S, 3:02.6
2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca, 3:02.8
2022 BMW X4M Competition, 3:02.9
2014 Audi RS7, 3:03.0
2022 BMW M240i xDrive, 3:03.0
2020 BMW M340i, 3:03.2
2019 Subaru STI S209, 3:03.4
2016 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat, 3:03.5
2017 Audi S8 Plus, 3:03.6
2007 Chevrolet Corvette Z51, 3:03.6
2011 Porsche Boxster Spyder, 3:03.8
2021 Mini John Cooper Works GP, 3:03.8
2018 Audi RS5, 3:03.9
2012 Porsche Cayman R, 3:03.9
2016 Ford Focus RS, 3:03.9
2018 Honda Civic Type R, 3:03.9
2009 Cadillac CTS-V, 3:04.0
2011 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:04.0
2017 Chevrolet Camaro 1LE, 3:04.0
2020 Cadillac CT5-V, 3:04.1
2011 Cadillac CTS-V coupe, 3:04.2
2013 Porsche Boxster S, 3:04.2
2017 BMW Alpina B7 xDrive, 3:04.3
2013 Audi RS5, 3:04.3
2022 Volkswagen Golf R, 3:04.3
2020 Ford Mustang 2.3L High Performance, 3:04.4
2007 Lotus Exige S, 3:04.5
2007 Audi R8, 3:04.6
2013 BMW M6, 3:04.7
2019 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio Q4, 3:04.8
2018 Lexus LC500, 3:04.8
2012 Audi TT RS, 3:04.8
2022 Lexus IS500 F Sport, 3:04.9
2012 Mercedes-Benz CLS63 AMG, 3:04.9
2018 Subaru WRX STI Type RA, 3:04.9
2009 Lotus Exige S 260 Sport, 3:05.0
2013 BMW M5, 3:05.2
2015 Ford Mustang GT, 3:05.2
2012 Lotus Evora S, 3:05.3
2011 Lexus IS F, 3:05.4
2009 BMW M3 coupe, 3:05.4
2017 Audi RS3, 3:05.6
2008 BMW M3 coupe, 3:05.6
2019 Chevrolet Camaro Turbo 1LE, 3:05.6
2007 Porsche 911 Turbo, 3:05.8
2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S, 3:05.8
2015 Lexus RC F, 3:05.8
2009 Porsche Cayman S, 3:05.8
2016 Lexus GS F, 3:05.9
2007 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:05.9
2014 Mercedes-Benz CLA45 AMG, 3:05.9
2020 Cadillac CT4-V, 3:06.2
2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG coupe, 3:06.3
2010 Jaguar XKR, 3:06.4
2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Cup Car, 3:06.4
2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG, 3:06.5
2011 BMW 1-series M, 3:06.6
2014 Jaguar XFR-S, 3:06.7
2021 Acura TLX Type-S SH-AWD, 3:06.7
2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport, 3:06.8
2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk, 3:06.9
2011 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, 3:06.9
1999 Acura NSX Zanardi Edition, 3:07.1
2014 BMW M235i, 3:07.2
2019 Genesis G70 3.3T Dynamic, 3:07.3
2010 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:07.4
2017 BMW M760i xDrive, 3:07.6
2016 Audi TTS, 3:07.7
2019 Hyundai Veloster N Performance Package, 3:07.7
2017 BMW M240i, 3:08.0
2011 Lotus Evora, 3:08.3
2009 Audi TTS, 3:08.4
2011 Ford Mustang GT, 3:08.6
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C, 3:08.8
2011 Jaguar XFR, 3:08.9
2021 Toyota Supra 2.0, 3:09.0
2006 Lotus Elise, 3:09.2
2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z51, 3:09.3
2012 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392, 3:09.4
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS, 3:09.5
2006 Porsche Cayman S, 3:09.5
2013 Audi S6, 3:09.8
2006 BMW M6, 3:10.0
2012 Dodge Charger SRT8, 3:10.1
2012 BMW Z4 sDrive35is, 3:10.4
2007 BMW 335i coupe, 3:10.5
2015 Subaru WRX STI, 3:10.5
2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution SE, 3:10.6
2010 Audi S4, 3:10.8
2007 Ford Shelby GT500, 3:11.0
2012 BMW X5 M, 3:11.1
2007 Audi RS4, 3:11.2
2015 Audi S3, 3:11.3
2018 Subaru WRX Performance Package, 3:11.5
2018 Kia Stinger GT, 3:11.6
2007 BMW Z4 M coupe, 3:11.7
2022 Toyota GR86 Premium, 3:11.8
2009 Nissan 370Z NISMO, 3:12.0
2022 Volkswagen GTI Autobahn, 3:12.1
2019 Volkswagen Jetta GLI 35th Anniversary Edition, 3:12.2
2015 Volkswagen Golf R, 3:12.3
2022 Subaru BRZ Limited, 3:12.4
2006 Nissan 350Z Track, 3:12.5
2011 Ford Mustang V-6, 3:12.5
2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS, 3:13.0
2012 BMW 335i Sport Line, 3:13.2
2010 Ford Mustang GT, 3:13.3
2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR, 3:13.3
2014 Lexus IS350 F sport, 3:13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR, 3:13.5
2008 BMW 135i, 3:13.7
2012 BMW 335is, 3:13.8
2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-spec, 3:13.8
2011 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Sedan, 3:13.8
2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-spec, 3:13.9
2008 Lexus IS F, 3:14.0
2012 Volkswagen Golf R, 3:14.0
2018 Subaru BRZ tS, 3:14.0
2008 Audi S5, 3:14.6
2015 Volkswagen GTI, 3:14.6
2017 Honda Civic Si, 3:14.6
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8, 3:14.8
2008 Honda S2000 CR, 3:15.0
2015 Mini Cooper Hardtop John Cooper Works, 3:15.4
2015 Subaru WRX, 3:15.5
2015 Ford Mustang Ecoboost, 3:15.6
2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP, 3:15.7
2017 Mini Clubman JCW All4, 3:16.0
2007 Mazdaspeed 3, 3:16.0
2010 Mazdaspeed 3, 3:16.2
2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8, 3:16.3
2011 Subaru Impreza WRX Sedan, 3:16.5
2008 Lotus Elise SC, 3:16.6
2009 Subaru Impreza WRX, 3:16.6
2010 Mazda RX-8 R3, 3:16.7
2017 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth, 3:16.9
2009 Mini Cooper John Cooper Works, 3:17.1
2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata RF Club, 3:17.2
2015 Tesla Model S P85D, 3:17.4
2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8, 3:17.4
2008 Infiniti G37S, 3:17.5
2014 Ford Focus ST, 3:17.6
2013 Dodge Charger Pursuit, 3:17.8
2006 Dodge Charger SRT8, 3:18.2
2012 Mini Cooper Coupe John Cooper Works, 3:18.4
2018 Honda Accord Sport 2.0T, 3:18.4
2013 Subaru BRZ, 3:18.6
2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STI, 3:19.0
2006 Mazda RX-8, 3:19.0
2015 Volkswagen GTI, 3:19.3
2010 Volkswagen GTI, 3:19.3
2017 Subaru BRZ Performance Package, 3:19.7
2014 Ford Fiesta ST, 3:20.4
2006 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged, 3:20.6
2008 Dodge Caliber SRT4, 3:20.8
2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata Club, 3:20.8
2006 Ford Mustang GT, 3:20.9
2013 Ford Focus ST, 3:21.4
2008 Volkswagen R32, 3:21.8
2007 Mini Cooper S, 3:22.9
2013 Chevrolet Caprice Police Patrol Vehicle, 3:23.0
2012 Honda Civic Si, 3:24.1
2008 Honda Civic Si Mugen, 3:24.8
2007 Volkswagen GTI, 3:25.1
2019 Toyota Camry V6 XSE, 3:25.3
2006 Honda Civic Si, 3:26.5
2008 Volvo C30 Version 2.0, 3:26.6
2012 Volkswagen Jetta GLI, 3:27.3
2013 Fiat 500 Abarth, 3:27.3
2006 Mazda MX-5, 3:29.3
2015 Honda Fit EX, 3:37.7

[Dabjbr]

Respect both opinions but I gotta say, a built motor SS1LE is pretty dang capable…

Nicky racer boy has a lot of fun videos to watch!

[Dabjbr]

Or this one…

https://youtu.be/kIi3qAcwffw

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by NG329

Awww hellz naw. You're drinking the Kool-Aid now. Straight Cappin' as the kids these days would say. On NO planet in our Milky way is the SS-1LE a better track car than the ZL1-1LE. Chevy got it wrong I guess. hahahaha Sorry my fellow Camaro brotha, but you deserved that jab. :7

I agree with everything for the most part except a modded SS vs a stock ZL1

A well done Full Bolton SS would be more than enough for a drivers race. Heads cams is not close

That being said modded vs stock isn’t fair but since it’s out there, it’s out there

Tune only ZL1 changes the game quite a bit

[USAFS197]

I do hope folks know that you can also modify the GT4. While you're talking about differences in the price of entry and all that, sure, the SS 1LE and the ZL1 1LE pose a much better value per dollar perspective. But, it'll never be a 3klb, mid-engine sports car in stock form. For those of you who have not experienced how a Porsche handles, especially the 718's, I would urge you to try and experience it. You're talking about a pretty significant horsepower and torque disadvantage in this situation for the Porsche but, it is still a competitive vehicle. It's not always about the initial costs, many times, it's about the potential of the platform, the confidence it inspires (admittedly, the Alpha chassis is awesome), and repeatability.

I absolutely loved my SS 1LE and can see where everyone is coming from with these comparisons. I think my ZL1 1LE is just ok. I would gladly part ways with both for a GT4 and a modest budget for some aftermarket suspension goodies and some wheels/tires if I could get one at a reasonable price (markups suck). At around 400-450whp, a race weight of 2900lbs in a mid-engine car, with some solid coilovers, lightweight wheels and good tires, I'm confident that a GT4 would be a handful for quite a few cars on a track.

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by NG329

Funny enough, at my last NJMP Lightning Track Day, my ZL1-1LE and a Yellow Cayman GT4 were turning the fastest laps at the event.

As much as I love Nurburgring bragging rights, it really is a terrible benchmark for automotive comparisons. There are way too many variables and you almost need the planets to align perfectly to nail a perfect lap. Personally, I like the VIR Lightning Laps that Car and Driver does. That track has everything: Elevation changes, decreasing raidius, chicanes, straights, hard braking zones, high G corners, and the list goes on. On that course the Cayman GT4 is nearly 5 seconds a lap faster than the SS 1LE which is an Eternity. Cayman GT4 > SS 1LE and it oughta be for the price.




You said it right there. You can't stretch the cars legs. The GT500 and the SS-1LE are in completely different leagues. In 9 out of 10 scenarios the GT500 murders the SS-1LE including lateral G's and braking. Hell, the GT500 is a manual transmission away from being even more desirable than the ZL1-1LE. Unfortunately, throttle house lap times are average at best and I'm pretty sure I could beat those times. Hey, what times did Randy Pobst run with the GT500 and SS-1LE at Laguna Seca for Motor Trend Hot Laps? hahahaha

Here, let me help you:

SS-1LE

GT-500

Cayman GT4 - 1.64 seconds a lap faster than the SS-1LE. Some basic math.... over a 20 lap race how much time behind is that?





Awww hellz naw. You're drinking the Kool-Aid now. Straight Cappin' as the kids these days would say. On NO planet in our Milky way is the SS-1LE a better track car than the ZL1-1LE. Chevy got it wrong I guess. hahahaha Sorry my fellow Camaro brotha, but you deserved that jab.



At the end of the day it comes down to the driver but on paper it simply cannot.


I respect your opinion. But others would argue that the ZL1-1LE is the best bang for the buck car of the Century. It punches well above its weight for $75k and only losing out to Porsche GT3, GT2, C7-ZR1, Viper ACR, and half million dollar Supercars.



Those are some cool options and a raced out SS-1LE would be a nice replica of the GT4.r

Lightning Lap (VIR)
Year Make Model, Lap Time
2019 McLaren Senna, 2:34.9
2021 Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series, 2:37.0
2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS Weissach, 2:37.8
2021 McLaren 765LT, 2:38.4
2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, 2:39.5
2018 McLaren 720S, 2:39.7
2022 Porsche 911 GT3, 2:40.6
2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 2:41.6
2021 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 2:42.5
2020 McLaren 600LT Spider, 2:42.6
2017 Ford GT, 2:43.0
2015 Porsche 918 Spyder, 2:43.1
2016 Lexus RC F GT concept, 2:43.2
2018 Mercedes-AMG GT R, 2:43.4
2018 Lamborghini Huracán Performante, 2:44.0
2016 Dodge Viper ACR, 2:44.2
2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 2:44.6
2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500, 2:44.6
2019 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE, 2:45.0
2020 Lamborghini Huracan, 2:45.0
2016 Ferrari 488GTB, 2:45.1
2017 Ford GT, 2:45.5
2018 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE, 2:45.7
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2019 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio Q4, 3:04.8
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2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport, 3:06.8
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2019 Genesis G70 3.3T Dynamic, 3:07.3
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2011 Ford Mustang GT, 3:08.6
2015 Alfa Romeo 4C, 3:08.8
2011 Jaguar XFR, 3:08.9
2021 Toyota Supra 2.0, 3:09.0
2006 Lotus Elise, 3:09.2
2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z51, 3:09.3
2012 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392, 3:09.4
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS, 3:09.5
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2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution SE, 3:10.6
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Ok, so let's make one thing straight. I was talking about an NA modified Camaro SS 1LE against a stock ZL1 1LE, GT500 and GT4. Lighter car better engine output for track use. That's number one. Now let's get back to your GT500 to SS 1LE comparison. I am not sure if you are aware of how heavy GT500 is, stock and even with the CFTP option. Even on stock tires, Camaro SS 1LE murders the GT500 in Figure 8 and Lateral Gs. I am not sure where you get that information but you had me laugh pretty hard It physics really. See the Motortrend comparison links below.

Camaro ss 1le did 22.9 sec Figure 8 with 1.12 G Lateral average. Braking 60 mph to 0 in 93 ft.

Now GT500 24.1 sec Figure 8 Regular and 23.5 sec CFTP version Figure 8 with 1.01G Lateral Regular 1.05G CFTP. Braking 60 mph to 0 in 100 and 94 ft.

Those GT500 numbers are with better and wider tire too. It's all physics, the car is heavy as hell and Ford had to oversize brakes, tires and pretty much everything on that car to make it handle, but still can't dance with the stock SS 1LE. Now imagine 3700 lbs 1LE putting down as much or even higher whp then a ZL1 1LE with little wider tires, 315s and 295s Cup 2s. Also add ZL1 1LE Solid Rear Craddle Bushings, I don't even think you need to lower the suspension, current setup will do the job.

Also your C&D Lap Times, again, longer track with longer straights favor higher horsepower and torque. You can't make up for that right? Otherwise everyone would be driving a Mazda Miata or GR86 Toyota. If you don't have longer straights it will come down to which car has the balance and overall package right.



https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...00-first-test/

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...ck-comparison/

[NG329]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

I do hope folks know that you can also modify the GT4. While you're talking about differences in the price of entry and all that, sure, the SS 1LE and the ZL1 1LE pose a much better value per dollar perspective. But, it'll never be a 3klb, mid-engine sports car in stock form. For those of you who have not experienced how a Porsche handles, especially the 718's, I would urge you to try and experience it. You're talking about a pretty significant horsepower and torque disadvantage in this situation for the Porsche but, it is still a competitive vehicle. It's not always about the initial costs, many times, it's about the potential of the platform, the confidence it inspires (admittedly, the Alpha chassis is awesome), and repeatability.

I absolutely loved my SS 1LE and can see where everyone is coming from with these comparisons. I think my ZL1 1LE is just ok. I would gladly part ways with both for a GT4 and a modest budget for some aftermarket suspension goodies and some wheels/tires if I could get one at a reasonable price (markups suck). At around 400-450whp, a race weight of 2900lbs in a mid-engine car, with some solid coilovers, lightweight wheels and good tires, I'm confident that a GT4 would be a handful for quite a few cars on a track.

Agreed. They are no slouch. I wouldn't get rid of my ZL1-1LE for it but they are amazing cars and just as good as anything else out there.

[ALMN]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...dk-first-test/
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...ck-comparison/

Well from the looks of it the lateral gs and figure 8 of a stock GT4 can't even best the stock ss 1le!!!! This car also weights 3200 lbs!!! Yikes Even braking distance of 100 FT!!!! Oh my

Thats alpha chassis for you. There is a reason GM called it Alpha

[NG329]

Originally Posted by ALMN

Ok, so let's make one thing straight. I was talking about an NA modified Camaro SS 1LE against a stock ZL1 1LE, GT500 and GT4.

So was I

Originally Posted by ALMN

Lighter car better engine output for track use. That's number one.

Noooooooo my man, noooooo It's not a better engine for track use. hahaha Bro, I wish my buddy Greg would chime in. He has an SS-1LE and at our last track day together his SS-1LE was so far down on power due to the heat/humidity it was ridiculous. Meanwhile, my ZL1-1LE consistently recorded the fastest trap speeds at the end of the long straights. Drive out of corners was the same deal. ...on PUMP Gas, not Ethanol either.

Forced induction > NA so long as heat soak is not an issue.

Originally Posted by ALMN

Now let's get back to your GT500 to SS 1LE comparison. I am not sure if you are aware of how heavy GT500 is, stock and even with the CFTP option. Even on stock tires, Camaro SS 1LE murders the GT500 in Figure 8 and Lateral Gs. I am not sure where you get that information but you had me laugh pretty hard It physics really. See the Motortrend comparison links below.

Camaro ss 1le did 22.9 sec Figure 8 with 1.12 G Lateral average. Braking 60 mph to 0 in 93 ft.

Now GT500 24.1 sec Figure 8 Regular and 23.5 sec CFTP version Figure 8 with 1.01G Lateral Regular 1.05G CFTP. Braking 60 mph to 0 in 100 and 94 ft.

Those GT500 numbers are with better and wider tire too. It's all physics, the car is heavy as hell and Ford had to oversize brakes, tires and pretty much everything on that car to make it handle, but still can't dance with the stock SS 1LE. Now imagine 3700 lbs 1LE putting down as much or even higher whp then a ZL1 1LE with little wider tires, 315s and 295s Cup 2s. Also add ZL1 1LE Solid Rear Craddle Bushings, I don't even think you need to lower the suspension, current setup will do the job.

Fair play. Those GT500s are monsters. They were probably afraid to push the car.

Originally Posted by ALMN

Also your C&D Lap Times, again, longer track with longer straights favor higher horsepower and torque. You can't make up for that right? Otherwise everyone would be driving a Mazda Miata or GR86 Toyota. If you don't have longer straights it will come down to which car has the balance and overall package right.

Not really. Straights need to be included in the equation of "Overall Package". It's a big part of the game. Every Pro Race Circuit in this country has a substantial straight section. Sure there are the Shenandoah's, Nelson Ledges, of the world but those are not used on the National or World Stage.

The SS starts to run out of steam at 135mph, where the ZLE and GT500 are just getting started. Same for the high end Porsches.

Originally Posted by ALMN

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...00-first-test/

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...ck-comparison/

Thanks for posting the article references.

Look man, I get it. The SS-1LE is dope! I almost bought one before deciding on the ZL1-1LE. The best way I can describe it is that the SS-1LE package you get keeps you in the hunt against superior platforms. However, that Cayman GT4 doesn't get the respect that it deserves. It's world class.

[NG329]

For complete transparency, I think the reason I ended up not buying the GT4 is because the Cayman platform is a weeeee bit too small for my taste. I wanted a car with a little more "Presence". On the flip side, sometimes I feel the Camaro is just a tad too big but the fact that it handles itself like a much smaller car kind of saved it for me.

The ZL1-1LE gets TONS of respect on the Highway/road and guys don't like to block the left lane when I'm coming up behind them. They move right over 6 or 7 out of 10 times. Not so in the Cayman.

[ALMN]

Originally Posted by NG329

So was I



Noooooooo my man, noooooo It's not a better engine for track use. hahaha Bro, I wish my buddy Greg would chime in. He has an SS-1LE and at our last track day together his SS-1LE was so far down on power due to the heat/humidity it was ridiculous. Meanwhile, my ZL1-1LE consistently recorded the fastest trap speeds at the end of the long straights. Drive out of corners was the same deal. ...on PUMP Gas, not Ethanol either.

Forced induction > NA so long as heat soak is not an issue.

Fair play. Those GT500s are monsters. They were probably afraid to push the car.



Not really. Straights need to be included in the equation of "Overall Package". It's a big part of the game. Every Pro Race Circuit in this country has a substantial straight section. Sure there are the Shenandoah's, Nelson Ledges, of the world but those are not used on the National or World Stage.

The SS starts to run out of steam at 135mph, where the ZLE and GT500 are just getting started. Same for the high end Porsches.




Thanks for posting the article references.

Look man, I get it. The SS-1LE is dope! I almost bought one before deciding on the ZL1-1LE. The best way I can describe it is that the SS-1LE package you get keeps you in the hunt against superior platforms. However, that Cayman GT4 doesn't get the respect that it deserves. It's world class.

I mean this whole forum is comparing SS 1LE to GT4 right? You said GT4 handles better and all of that. You are justifying your purchase of your GT4 I get it. You also have or had a ZL1 1LE but come on man, you can't just ignore the fact that even a stock ss 1le is a beast of a car, performance bargain and capable of so much more with aftermarket. I mean the amount of money you can put into a stock SS 1LE to make it run faster than a GT4 is probably around or less than 20 grand. That puts it at 65 grand range similar or less price than a ZL1 1LE. It won't be stock anymore but the performance and value would still be there, and that is my point. For the remaining cash you have compared to a GT4, you can save it on the side for multiple track events, parts, maintenance, hack even a new motor!!!

[NG329]

Originally Posted by ALMN

I mean this whole forum is comparing SS 1LE to GT4 right? You said GT4 handles better and all of that. You are justifying your purchase of your GT4 I get it. You also have or had a ZL1 1LE but come on man, you can't just ignore the fact that even a stock ss 1le is a beast of a car, performance bargain and capable of so much more with aftermarket. I mean the amount of money you can put into a stock SS 1LE to make it run faster than a GT4 is probably around or less than 20 grand. That puts it at 65 grand range similar or less price than a ZL1 1LE. It won't be stock anymore but the performance and value would still be there, and that is my point. For the remaining cash you have compared to a GT4, you can save it on the side for multiple track events, parts, maintenance, hack even a new motor!!!

That is very true. The SS is at such an attractive price point and you are getting astounding performance. Trust me, your points didn't go over my head. I love the SS and the SS-1LE. They are fantastic cars with tons of tuning/build potential.

The Alpha chassis may go down in history as the all time great production car track platform. The cars are just so capable right off of the assembly line.

.... but I'll have my GT4 in "Lipstick Red" please.