[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I totally agree that from a track car perspective, the ZLE made the Z28 a non-starter. Could be that the reason for calling it ZL1 1LE instead of Z28 is the supercharger. Z28 has tended to be an NA track car. But then again, so was ZL1 until it wasn’t.

Yes some time ago someone (Al?) said just that. The Z/28 is a naturally aspirated track-orientated Camaro.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by shaffe

nothing official but you can connect the tealeaves like Hotlap and others have done.

the biggest key is just look at what GM is planning for the future. Cadillac is going full electric. they are going to be the first of GM's brands to do so. For camaro to exist it needs something to share a platform with. So unless the electric versions of CT4/5 replacement are on Alpha I would expect camaro to ride off into the sunset or transition to EV

I’ve read the rumors of both the Challenger and Mustang going all electric, so it would make sense for the Camaro to as well. I’m not happy about it.

[BluinSC]

https://fb.watch/v/20gGTbmA4/

C8 Z06 engine note. Hopefully the link posts. Im not overly impressed. Im sure they'll sell every one though.

[JitteryJoe]

Same here, 100% respect Chevy going back to N/A but would have loved to see an updated 427 vs trying to be a Ferrari. Besides, didn't the GT350 have a bunch of engine issues due to it effectively having too much displacement for a flat crank motor? And now Chevy is trying to make one even bigger with an even higher redline?

[BluinSC]

Originally Posted by JitteryJoe

Same here, 100% respect Chevy going back to N/A but would have loved to see an updated 427 vs trying to be a Ferrari. Besides, didn't the GT350 have a bunch of engine issues due to it effectively having too much displacement for a flat crank motor? And now Chevy is trying to make one even bigger with an even higher redline?

Given the testing GM has done due to C8.R I would hope its more reliable. Although they are having problems with the DCT currently.

[waterman]

Originally Posted by JitteryJoe

Same here, 100% respect Chevy going back to N/A but would have loved to see an updated 427 vs trying to be a Ferrari. Besides, didn't the GT350 have a bunch of engine issues due to it effectively having too much displacement for a flat crank motor? And now Chevy is trying to make one even bigger with an even higher redline?

LS7 is NA 7 ltrs/427 ci. 505hp @ 6500 RPMs. 470-481 ft/lbs. TQ @ 4800 RPMs. 454 lbs. assembled.

LT6 is NA 5.5 ltrs./335 ci. 600-630hp @ 8000-9000 RPMs(est.) 480-550 ft/lbs. TQ (est.) @ ? RPMs. Weight to HP/TQ ratio will be significantly better than LS7.

As for FMCs 5 ltr. FPC. Yes, LT6s 335 is greater than GT 350s 305.

However, that LT6 has been homologated in C8.R for nearly 2 IMSA seasons in both sprints and endurance races... with great success.

Ford's Voodoo... not so much.

[396ssrat]

Be a homerun if they'd make a statement about who owns the roads and tracks. They could sell many Camaros if they chose to do so. Build a Camaro with high horsepower and watch buyers line up.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

Be a homerun if they'd make a statement about who owns the roads and tracks. They could sell many Camaros if they chose to do so. Build a Camaro with high horsepower and watch buyers line up.

Sadly, it would be a short line.

When the Z06 Pricing comes out my guess is we will see GM put a $20,000 premium on this engine. And be an even more expensive car. If as projected this engine will be down about 20hp from an LT4. So the line will be for people willing to spend more money for a slower car, maybe parity, just to say it’s NA. Sorry, I don’t see that.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by JitteryJoe

Same here, 100% respect Chevy going back to N/A but would have loved to see an updated 427 vs trying to be a Ferrari. Besides, didn't the GT350 have a bunch of engine issues due to it effectively having too much displacement for a flat crank motor? And now Chevy is trying to make one even bigger with an even higher redline?

The LS7 was probably the last big CI we will ever see from an automaker. IIRC the rumor was they wanted a LT7 for the C7 Z06 and were working on one. They could make the power they wanted but I believe it was it wouldn't pass cold start emissions or something like that. I can't remember exactly what it was but it was something along those lines

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sadly, it would be a short line.

When the Z06 Pricing comes out my guess is we will see GM put a $20,000 premium on this engine. And be an even more expensive car. If as projected this engine will be down about 20hp from an LT4. So the line will be for people willing to spend more money for a slower car, maybe parity, just to say it’s NA. Sorry, I don’t see that.

This ^

[Katech_Zach]

Originally Posted by waterman

LS7 is NA 7 ltrs/427 ci. 505hp @ 6500 RPMs. 470-481 ft/lbs. TQ @ 4800 RPMs. 454 lbs. assembled.

LT6 is NA 5.5 ltrs./335 ci. 600-630hp @ 8000-9000 RPMs(est.) 480-550 ft/lbs. TQ (est.) @ ? RPMs. Weight to HP/TQ ratio will be significantly better than LS7.

As for FMCs 5 ltr. FPC. Yes, LT6s 335 is greater than GT 350s 305.

However, that LT6 has been homologated in C8.R for nearly 2 IMSA seasons in both sprints and endurance races... with great success.

Ford's Voodoo... not so much.

Torque wont be anywhere close to the LS7's torque. 480 ft/lbs at 8500 rpm is 775 hp. If it is peaking at 615 hp at 8500 rpm theoretically, it'd be about 380 ft/lbs. Peak torque maybe 425...

[JitteryJoe]

Originally Posted by shaffe

The LS7 was probably the last big CI we will ever see from an automaker. IIRC the rumor was they wanted a LT7 for the C7 Z06 and were working on one. They could make the power they wanted but I believe it was it wouldn't pass cold start emissions or something like that. I can't remember exactly what it was but it was something along those lines

That's disappointing to hear. I'd have figured between some combo of Port + DI, VVT, EGR, catalyst close to the headers and what not they could have figured something out. Hell, just do what everyone else does and jack it up 1.5in and call it a "light truck"

[CamOnlyJabroni]

Originally Posted by Katech_Zach

Torque wont be anywhere close to the LS7's torque. 480 ft/lbs at 8500 rpm is 775 hp. If it is peaking at 615 hp at 8500 rpm theoretically, it'd be about 380 ft/lbs. Peak torque maybe 425...

High strung low torque motor seems like the wrong direction for someone wanting to play around on the street and have fun. Viper was so successful for the opposite reason. High torque low rpm reliability on track. Especially in cars that keep getting heavier.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by waterman

LS7 is NA 7 ltrs/427 ci. 505hp @ 6500 RPMs. 470-481 ft/lbs. TQ @ 4800 RPMs. 454 lbs. assembled.

LT6 is NA 5.5 ltrs./335 ci. 600-630hp @ 8000-9000 RPMs(est.) 480-550 ft/lbs. TQ (est.) @ ? RPMs. Weight to HP/TQ ratio will be significantly better than LS7.

As for FMCs 5 ltr. FPC. Yes, LT6s 335 is greater than GT 350s 305.

However, that LT6 has been homologated in C8.R for nearly 2 IMSA seasons in both sprints and endurance races... with great success.

Ford's Voodoo... not so much.

Right, GM's FPC seems to be designed towards the orientation with lesser vibrations and actually taking advantage of the FPC design. The Ford FPC is a compromised design for particular engine note and to try and take advantage of the combined-runner intake manifold as much as possible. Plus, GM has already ran the 5.5L FPC through several endurance races. The Ford FPC could only last typical ~2-hour or less races.

Originally Posted by Katech_Zach

Torque wont be anywhere close to the LS7's torque. 480 ft/lbs at 8500 rpm is 775 hp. If it is peaking at 615 hp at 8500 rpm theoretically, it'd be about 380 ft/lbs. Peak torque maybe 425...

I think it'd be wise to look at the Ford 5.2L FPC and it's power... 526HP @ 7500 RPM and 429 lb-ft torque @ 4750 RPM. Given the way you projected the torque figures, in a linear fashion through the RPM range, the Ford engine should be making 612HP @ 7500 RPM. I'm confused because then you say "Peak torque maybe 429..." where the assumed that people typically speak about are peak numbers... and I would certainly bet a 5.5L DOHC FPC will make at least the same peak torque as a [known] 5.2L DOHC FPC.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by CamOnlyJabroni

High strung low torque motor seems like the wrong direction for someone wanting to play around on the street and have fun. Viper was so successful for the opposite reason. High torque low rpm reliability on track. Especially in cars that keep getting heavier.

Then one can buy a Stingray/Z51 C8 or wait for the following C8 HP-iterations? The Z06 is supposed to be the track [circuit] weapon, just like the GT350/R was for the Mustang and that things powerband.