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Old 03-03-2019, 02:03 PM   #43
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As they are still sitting around on lots people will disagree with their collectibility, they are too easy find . No matter what the value is today they dropped a ton from the sticker price and that plays a huge part. I highly doubt that the people in this conversation with Z28 has it tucked away , they drive them and most will find their way back into the used car market. Seems like a lot of people here are trying to defend their purchase of a Z28 and there is no reason , i would bet no one bought one to put away and not drive.
You make it sound like it's 2016 and there are hundreds of them still sitting on lots new with dry rotted tires. Just checked Autotrader and there are less than twenty for sale nationwide. Tell ya what, let's agree to disagree and re visit this in ten years and see where a gen five 1LE and Z are at valuation wise.. i'm out.
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Old 03-03-2019, 02:27 PM   #44
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Iím one man, one opinion, but canít fathom someone would think an SS 1LE from any gen is even in the collectible discussion with a 5g Z28.

SS 1LE is an outstanding value for its performance......but doesnít belong in a collectibility/investment discussion at all. THE Z28 is incredibly unique and limited, and worthy of debating as a future collectible IMO.
Take a look at the car in this link and you'll see what rare is .
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Old 03-03-2019, 02:38 PM   #45
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Take a look at the car in this link and you'll see what rare is .
You do realize that's not how a 3rd gen 1LE came from the factory, right? That's a race prepped car. Did you know that a 3rd gen with the G92 option non 1LE IROC and Z28 performed the same as the 1LE car? Didn't matter if you got the 5.0 5 spd or the 5.7 L98. They performed the same. Research is your friend.
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Old 03-03-2019, 02:42 PM   #46
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You make it sound like it's 2016 and there are hundreds of them still sitting on lots new with dry rotted tires. Just checked Autotrader and there are less than twenty for sale nationwide. Tell ya what, let's agree to disagree and re visit this in ten years and see where a gen five 1LE and Z are at valuation wise.. i'm out.
Yeah i found a lot more then that including a Z28.R , but yeah it may take more then 10 years to tell us anything.
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Old 03-03-2019, 02:56 PM   #47
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You do realize that's not how a 3rd gen 1LE came from the factory, right? That's a race prepped car. Did you know that a 3rd gen with the G92 option non 1LE IROC and Z28 performed the same as the 1LE car? Didn't matter if you got the 5.0 5 spd or the 5.7 L98. They performed the same. Research is your friend.
Yeah i think the cut outs tell you that but it is a 1le factory built car . Do you have any idea what the car is worth , would you say more or less then 5th gen Z28 ?
Did they perform the same around tracks in competition? Don't forget why they came up with the 1Le package for in the first place . Its always been handling not 0 to 50 performance .
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:11 PM   #48
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Yeah i think the cut outs tell you that but it is a 1le factory built car . Do you have any idea what the car is worth , would you say more or less then 5th gen Z28 ?
Did they perform the same around tracks in competition? Don't forget why they came up with the 1Le package for in the first place . Its always been handling not 0 to 50 performance .
Sigh. Once again, do you realize that's a players car with a racing history? Did you do the research I suggested when the 3rd gen 1LE buyers tried to corner the market only to find out that they performed just like the G92 cars? I'm guessing you're to young to have actually lived it and now you're trying to justify your purchase. You have a lot to learn on the topic but the info is out there.
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:14 PM   #49
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Yeah i think the cut outs tell you that but it is a 1le factory built car . Do you have any idea what the car is worth , would you say more or less then 5th gen Z28 ?
Did they perform the same around tracks in competition? Don't forget why they came up with the 1Le package for in the first place . Its always been handling not 0 to 50 performance .
Go over to the 3rd gen site where they talk about the differences in equipment between 1LE and regular G92 cars. You'll be a little disappointed. But it's a good learning experience.
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:16 PM   #50
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Go over to the 3rd gen site where they talk about the differences in equipment between 1LE and regular G92 cars. You'll be a little disappointed. But it's a good learning experience.
No need to listen to broken hearts crying, the facts points in other direction .
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:23 PM   #51
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No need to listen to broken hearts crying, the facts points in other direction .
You're embarrassing yourself now. I tried to help you and show you where to find legitimate info. Good luck.
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:33 PM   #52
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You're embarrassing yourself now. I tried to help you and show you where to find legitimate info. Good luck.
Feel free to open up this subject in the 1Le forum on either 5th gen or 6th gen .
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Old 05-31-2019, 10:12 AM   #53
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I would say maybe. I don't really see any of today's cars being like the cars from the 60s. Part of what makes some of the classics such high dollar cars is the a la carte options. Back in the 60s you might have had a car that was like 1 of 6 built with this combo of options in this color. You don't get stuff like that anymore.


I wonder if people think that these cars will be collectable like the muscle cars of the 60s? Remember that was the end of an era, and the public couldn't obtain muscle cars like those anymore. This is what contributed to their exclusivity and collectability.

However, for the last 20 - 30 years these pony cars have been getting better with each new generation and model. Collectability is based on demand. Who wants an old car that can't keep up with a new one? Think about it. The Muscle car era ended at around 1973. Modern cars didn't see equal performance until around 1997 (give or take a few). Ask yourself who is collecting Camaros or Corvettes built between 1973 and 1997? While there are exceptions, I hope you see my point.
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Old 05-31-2019, 04:11 PM   #54
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Sigh. Once again, do you realize that's a players car with a racing history? Did you do the research I suggested when the 3rd gen 1LE buyers tried to corner the market only to find out that they performed just like the G92 cars? I'm guessing you're to young to have actually lived it and now you're trying to justify your purchase. You have a lot to learn on the topic but the info is out there.

The guys cornering the market thing is a historical footnote and non issue. It's a funny story that inflates their own importance. You are correct that the G92 got almost all of the same equipment as a 1LE in the last few years particularly. Acceleration was identical as there were no engine differences (G92 cars already had the better exhaust and rear end gears). Handling and braking was not noticeably different in magazine testing and I don't think anyone did any track testing to speak of to compare the two. All that being said, the 1LE commands a premium even among people who know all of that much to the chagrin of the 1LE haters out there. The third gen site has a hundred thread topics where this gets hashed out every few weeks. It's a constant source of bickering. The 1LE is truly not as special as most people think it is, and yet I still believe it is the 3rd gen (Camaro) to have. That's why I own two.

The 5th gen Z/28 was and is a special car. The 5th gen SS 1LE was and is a special car. The 5th gen SS 1LE is not nearly the car the 5th gen Z/28 is and I think eventually the market value will show that.

I think the real problem with the 5th gens in general is how much better the 6th gen is. The 6th gen SS 1LE is far better than the 5th gen SS 1LE and the 6th gen ZL1 1LE is far better than the 5th gen Z/28. Besides a personal preference for the 5th gen there is little reason to prefer the 5th gen to it's 6th gen counterpart at the same price point so the 5th gen will be limited by 6th gen values. The Z/28 gets a bonus for rarity, but I don't think that can overcome the performance of the ZL1 1LE.
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Old 06-01-2019, 11:28 AM   #55
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Gen 5 Z is already collectable, just remains to be seen if valuations will rise. Think too much emphasis is being placed on out right performance. Plenty of faster cars out there now and were when it came out. It's a unicorn for several reason's. If there's no gen 7 Z, let alone a Camaro, there will never be another NA 427.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:49 AM   #56
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I wonder if people think that these cars will be collectable like the muscle cars of the 60s? Remember that was the end of an era, and the public couldn't obtain muscle cars like those anymore. This is what contributed to their exclusivity and collectability.

However, for the last 20 - 30 years these pony cars have been getting better with each new generation and model. Collectability is based on demand. Who wants an old car that can't keep up with a new one? Think about it. The Muscle car era ended at around 1973. Modern cars didn't see equal performance until around 1997 (give or take a few). Ask yourself who is collecting Camaros or Corvettes built between 1973 and 1997? While there are exceptions, I hope you see my point.
True. I probably won't word this the best way but I will try.

The recent boom in collectible cars was really due to barret jackson and the baby boomers throwing money at the classic cars. I don't know if people in their 30s now will have that same desire in 20-30 years like the baby boomers did. Like you said it was the end of an era but it was more than just the performance. Cars were literally part of the baby boomer youth and culture. Going to the drive in, car hops, packing people in just cruising around. There was songs about cars, songs about racing songs, about just cruising movies about cars where people literally did all of those things, it was literally a huge part of their lives. Unfortunately I don't see people near my age having that same connection to cars like people my old mans age. That is one of the main reasons I don't see modern cars going to be collectible.
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it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
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