[SteveV]

Folks, I ordered the extra ground wire from Lethal Garage, but I am struggling to figure out where to mount it on my LT4 engine.

In the pics provided with the wire, it is clearly an SS LT1 and the mount they use on the engine is covered by the supercharger belt.

Can anyone post a pic of where they mounted this on their ZL1's LT4 engine?

To me, the only place I see that might work is a bolt from one of the pulleys on the main belt.

[arpad_m]

For the sake of you two who were quick to jump on SteveV: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586153

[ZLRob]

An extra ground loop is 1000% helpful on any vehicle running an all aluminum engine setup. For whatever reason AL is not as conductive as their cast iron counterparts. I had to do the same to my truck and all of its weird issues went away as soon as I did.

As far as your ground strap goes tie it from the ground post at the body and run it over to the bolt that holds onto the factory catch can. If I remember correctly that's how I did mine and to confirm it was grounded for sure to the block I used a power probe to confirm it was providing a clean ground prior to running the strap.

In order to complete the ground loop properly you will need a ground strap in the trunk as well. I ran one from the battery to the floor where one of the modules mounts to. You can't run a ground up front or behind without strengthening the other side as well otherwise it won't be as effective. I have noticed improved cranking ever since i did mine on my car.

I hope this helps!

[cvp33]

Disproven many times. Hopefully saying snake oil is enough to dissuade others. Modern cars are all properly grounded and there are ZERO PERFORMANCE GAINS to be had from adding some BS extra ground.

This is the kind of BS you see on the Honda V-tech forums.

P.S. I’ll race anyone stock for stock heads up and I’ll let you add a grounding wire for the imaginary 5K rwhp. $1,000 and I pick the track.

[JimGnitecki]

Originally Posted by cvp33

Disproven many times. Hopefully saying snake oil is enough to dissuade others. Modern cars are all properly grounded and there are ZERO PERFORMANCE GAINS to be had from adding some BS extra ground.

This is the kind of BS you see on the Honda V-tech forums.

P.S. I’ll race anyone stock for stock heads up and I’ll let you add a grounding wire for the imaginary 5K rwhp. $1,000 and I pick the track.

I don't think people do the extra ground for more power. It's more to stop the false electrical CELs and inconsistent electrical performance.

GM and many other auto manufacturers try to provide the absolute lowest cost solutions to everything in a car. Sometimes those "lowest bid" solutions work well, but sometimes they do not.

Jim G

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by cvp33

Disproven many times. Hopefully saying snake oil is enough to dissuade others. Modern cars are all properly grounded and there are ZERO PERFORMANCE GAINS to be had from adding some BS extra ground.

This is the kind of BS you see on the Honda V-tech forums.

P.S. I’ll race anyone stock for stock heads up and I’ll let you add a grounding wire for the imaginary 5K rwhp. $1,000 and I pick the track.

Nobody claimed any performance increase, and indeed there is none. The extra ground strap helps with warm/hot starts and grounding issues aka electrical stability.

Next time you might want to read the linked thread that discusses the problem and the experience of those with and without this ground strap.

[ZLRob]

Originally Posted by cvp33

Disproven many times. Hopefully saying snake oil is enough to dissuade others. Modern cars are all properly grounded and there are ZERO PERFORMANCE GAINS to be had from adding some BS extra ground.

This is the kind of BS you see on the Honda V-tech forums.

P.S. I’ll race anyone stock for stock heads up and I’ll let you add a grounding wire for the imaginary 5K rwhp. $1,000 and I pick the track.

Originally Posted by JimGnitecki

I don't think people do the extra ground for more power. It's more to stop the false electrical CELs and inconsistent electrical performance.

GM and many other auto manufacturers try to provide the absolute lowest cost solutions to everything in a car. Sometimes those "lowest bid" solutions work well, but sometimes they do not.

Jim G

This right here. Jim G is spot on with what he is saying. GM is probably one of the biggest culprits as far as lowest bid solutions go. This methodology applies even to their highest end models.

Cvp it's not snake oil if the goal and outcome achieve their desired effects. At no point is anyone here adding them for "power gains." They are adding them for better electrical conductivity all around, eliminating the possibility of potential electrical gremlins and startability issues. If you or anyone else believes that folks are adding grounds to get more HP out of it then you or they probably belong on the Honda forums yourselves.

[302crossram]

here ya' go amigo
good mod for heat soak problems

[cvp33]

Never had a ground issue on any of my cars or builds. Never had a phantom C/E light, a hard start, or any of the other imaginary gremlins. But if a $5 ground wire helps you sleep better at night…….I suggest adding 3 or 4 to get maximum benefit. LOL ~~~~~~~e~ + oil

[CW3SF]

I’ve been having a grounding/electrical gremlin on mine. I might have to try this. Thanks for the tip.

[SSDan]

Originally Posted by cvp33

Never had a ground issue on any of my cars or builds. Never had a phantom C/E light, a hard start, or any of the other imaginary gremlins. But if a $5 ground wire helps you sleep better at night…….I suggest adding 3 or 4 to get maximum benefit. LOL ~~~~~~~e~ + oil

Did you bother to read any of my thread that Arpad posted? I didn’t feel the need to state my background in that thread but since you keep shouting “snake oil” - I happen to be very knowledgeable about electron circuit flow. When I was a young man in the Air Force I had 7 months of electronic training ( 5 days a week 8 hours a day) learning to be an avionics navigation technician before they ever let me touch a plane. That training started with ohms law and built from there.

I know how important a good chassis ground is for proper automotive electronic performance. The 2016 SS model has an inadequate/defective factory ground that will not overcome starter heat soak. Rather than chase down the factory ground problem I just added a robust and solid engine to body ground. It’s a fast, cheap and easy fix.

I can not speak about the models since 2016 but for all I know GM did a better job with chassis grounds and/or eliminating starter heat soak after 2016. So, you may not have any concerns about your car which is a good thing. For everyone else if you have concerns or problems with electrical gremlins - adding a ground cable is easy and cheap. You can not have such a thing as too good of a grounded circuit flow.

And no sorry - there will be no HP gains but I do now have a car that will start no matter how much starter heat soak I get. Read my thread - a huge number of people duplicated my results.

[JimGnitecki]

cvp33: A good, confident man admits when he might have given an opinion before being shown all the facts.

Jim G

[ZLRob]

Originally Posted by SSDan

Did you bother to read any of my thread that Arpad posted? I didn’t feel the need to state my background in that thread but since you keep shouting “snake oil” - I happen to be very knowledgeable about electron circuit flow. When I was a young man in the Air Force I had 7 months of electronic training ( 5 days a week 8 hours a day) learning to be an avionics navigation technician before they ever let me touch a plane. That training started with ohms law and built from there.

I know how important a good chassis ground is for proper automotive electronic performance. The 2016 SS model has an inadequate/defective factory ground that will not overcome starter heat soak. Rather than chase down the factory ground problem I just added a robust and solid engine to body ground. It’s a fast, cheap and easy fix.

I can not speak about the models since 2016 but for all I know GM did a better job with chassis grounds and/or eliminating starter heat soak after 2016. So, you may not have any concerns about your car which is a good thing. For everyone else if you have concerns or problems with electrical gremlins - adding a ground cable is easy and cheap. You can not have such a thing as too good of a grounded circuit flow.

And no sorry - there will be no HP gains but I do now have a car that will start no matter how much starter heat soak I get. Read my thread - a huge number of people duplicated my results.

There's no point in replying to to him. It's best to not feed the trolls in this situation as the ignorant will stay as such, and it's evidently obvious if he is not willing to make a simple click, do some very light reading to see what the problem is and why the mod is warranted as well as what it does.

[302crossram]

Originally Posted by JimGnitecki

cvp33: A good, confident man admits when he might have given an opinion before being shown all the facts.

Jim G

was the same way in the Mobile one thread....