[Blackmonba6Gen]

Hey C6 Fam,

I am prepping for my track day for NCM at Camarofest and the dealership I used to go to perform my brake fluid on my old 2016 SS Camaro didn't have any problems changing the fluid. Now when I get my 2022 SS 1LE and I asked to replaced factory fluid with Motul 660 they claim it will void warranty. I'm, like what warranty? The whole car? Have you'll heard of such a thing? They said they will be held liable if the car underperforms and cause issues due to brake fluid put in. Does it comes with DOT4 from the factory? This my first 1LE as my last one had DOT3 and needed to be changed

GM ACDELCO PART# 19299570 (Dealer Recommends)
vs Motul 660 I plan to use.

[Slippy]

Both fluids are DOT4. Did the dealer say why it would void the warranty? If it's for using a non OEM fluid, I believe that would be against the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-GM-Fl.../dp/B00BK7LXBW


https://www.motul.com/us/en-US/produ...x0-500l-us-can

[wnta1ss]

Try printing out the Chevrolet Track Preparation manual and showing it to them. The one I have (2017) says for track events or competitive driving, it is recommended to change the brake fluid with a high performance brake fluid that has a dry boiling point greater than 279 degrees C (543 degrees F). Also says DOT-4 brake fluid.

[arpad_m]

It's just more ultra defensive liability BS from the dealership. The Motul 660 is a great fluid, costs more than that GM DOT4 fluid, it's probably not the same (and superior).

Also, there is no such thing as a single "warranty", the car comes with several warranties, not even sure which one they think would be voided by 3rd party brake fluid—probably powertrain, but then IMO this falls squarely under Magnuson-Moss, you are trying to use a superior aftermarket fluid alternative without modifying the car.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Try printing out the Chevrolet Track Preparation manual and showing it to them. The one I have (2017) says for track events or competitive driving, it is recommended to change the brake fluid with a high performance brake fluid that has a dry boiling point greater than 279 degrees C (543 degrees F). Also says DOT-4 brake fluid.

Yeah, but the 2017 came with DOT3 brake fluid from the factory, the new ones come with DOT4 fluid already, which muddies the waters a bit, as they can claim it needs no aftermarket replacement.

[Blackmonba6Gen]

Originally Posted by Slippy

Both fluids are DOT4. Did the dealer say why it would void the warranty? If it's for using a non OEM fluid, I believe that would be against the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-GM-Fl.../dp/B00BK7LXBW


https://www.motul.com/us/en-US/produ...x0-500l-us-can

They told me he has to be ACDELCO fluid they provide and I asked them for the part number and what's the high boiling point and they couldn't tell me that so I took the part number and doing research on it now. However, I thought DOT4 is DOT4 it's not like its DEXOS2 Approved, I just want a higher boiling point than what the factory provide. They couldn't tell me the car had DOT4 or not from Factory even with my VIN

[Blackmonba6Gen]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Try printing out the Chevrolet Track Preparation manual and showing it to them. The one I have (2017) says for track events or competitive driving, it is recommended to change the brake fluid with a high performance brake fluid that has a dry boiling point greater than 279 degrees C (543 degrees F). Also says DOT-4 brake fluid.

Oh I have it handy and I keep it on my phone as well. I told they that and they "claim" to be aware but suggest using GM DOT4. I'm like no way I am putting that in my 1LE for track days. Never have before and Never Will. Sorry ACDELCO is good but not that good

[Blackmonba6Gen]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Yeah, but the 2017 came with DOT3 brake fluid from the factory, the new ones come with DOT4 fluid already, which muddies the waters a bit, as they can claim it needs no aftermarket replacement.

And that's good piece of mind if it comes with DOT4 but now my question is what's the boiling point, you would think GM would share that info but it appears to be hidden even the dealer couldn't find info on it which seems bizarre to me.

Originally Posted by arpad_m

It's just more ultra defensive liability BS from the dealership. The Motul 660 is a great fluid, costs more than that GM DOT4 fluid, it's probably not the same (and superior).

Also, there is no such thing as a single "warranty", the car comes with several warranties, not even sure which one they think would be voided by 3rd party brake fluid—probably powertrain, but then IMO this falls squarely under Magnuson-Moss, you are trying to use a superior aftermarket fluid alternative without modifying the car.

Exactly that's what I was thinking what warranty would you void. I was like you mean to tell me you will sell me a track car but void the warranty since I use a high performance fluid for a high performance car. Kick Rocks!

[Coded4SS]

Just don't go to the dealer man.

[RamAir02]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Yeah, but the 2017 came with DOT3 brake fluid from the factory, the new ones come with DOT4 fluid already, which muddies the waters a bit, as they can claim it needs no aftermarket replacement.

What year did they start filling with DOT4 from the factory? 2019 Track Prep guide states:

For track events or competitive driving, it is recommended that the brake fluid be replaced with a high-performance brake fluid that has a dry boiling point greater than 279° C (543° F). After conversion to the high-performance brake fluid, follow the brake fluid service recommendations outlined by the fluid manufacturer. Do not use silicone or DOT-5 brake fluids.

[kropscamaro16]

never had any issues used to take my car to the dealer !

[cdrptrks]

Originally Posted by RamAir02

What year did they start filling with DOT4 from the factory?

Check your brake fluid reservoir cap. It will have "USE ONLY DOT4" printed on it if the car was factory filled with DOT4.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...php?p=11061563

[Blackmonba6Gen]

FYI: I just found out from a buddy of mine. If you wanted to track your car with factory specs. The factory fill DOT4 fluid from GM is made by Dynatex and has a dry boiling point of 509°F / 265°C

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Blackmonba6Gen

FYI: I just found out from a buddy of mine. If you wanted to track your car with factory specs. The factory fill DOT4 fluid from GM is made by Dynatex and has a dry boiling point of 509°F / 265°C

There you go, the Motul 600 RBF has a 594 °F boiling point, and the 660 RBF has an higher one of 617 °F.