Road and Track head to head: M2 Competition vs 2019 SS 1LE

TrackClub · 10-20-2018, 10:57 PM

Really well written article. The 1LE beats the M at a track. They note slower acceleration by the Camaro but it is unclear what mode they ran it (switching it to Track mode without engaging PTM wont offer full power).
Either way, the 1LE is a better track car for $15G less. And for the price of the M one could get a ZL1 with 200hp more. Regardless, the reviewers seem objective and do a nice job describing virtues of both cars. And by the way, the 1le looks like an exotic next to the Bimmer. IMO anyway. And the mag folks like the styling too!

NB other great articles in this particular mag as well on racing subjects.

MAGAUSA · 10-20-2018, 11:30 PM

So happy my front end doesn't look like that. I wouldn't buy these new Camaros. I never thought I'd buy one in the first place and did because the 17s performed and looked good. The aesthetics of the new ones are just awful. Nothing flows off that front end.

ninetres · 10-20-2018, 11:31 PM

I prefer the M2 appearance vs the 2019. :whoknows: It’s subjective. What track did they race at? Lap times?

JamesNoBrakes · 10-20-2018, 11:32 PM

The torque of the M2 will come on at a super-low RPM, even though the LT1 is around 300 at 1K, the M2 will hit full torque around 1700-2000 and that means every time it upshifts, it is starting with significantly more torque. That's the beauty of modern turbo engines.

JamesNoBrakes · 10-20-2018, 11:34 PM

And they are both kind of "meh" as far as styling goes. M4 looks much better, M2 looks "acceptable", but not all that interesting or aggressive.

ninetres · 10-20-2018, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

The torque of the M2 will come on at a super-low RPM, even though the LT1 is around 300 at 1K, the M2 will hit full torque around 1700-2000 and that means every time it upshifts, it is starting with significantly more torque. That's the beauty of modern turbo engines.

The Camaro shouldn’t be any lower than say 3500-4K RPMs exiting a corner, or after an upshift.....so tq at the RPMs you cited is kind of meaningless in discussion of a lap on a circuit.

JamesNoBrakes · 10-20-2018, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninetres

The Camaro shouldn’t be any lower than say 3500-4K RPMs exiting a corner, or after an upshift.....so tq at the RPMs you cited is kind of meaningless in discussion of a lap on a circuit.

In a perfect world, but who can have a completely perfect run? I'm sure there are points where the RPM gets a bit lower.

TrackClub · 10-21-2018, 08:28 AM

Palm Springs Thermal Club 1.8 mile config. The Chevy did it in 1:26.6, the Bimmer in 1:28.9 (which is one heck of a gap).

Of note: the mag had a pro driver Alex Gurney test a Z/28 there for them in 2014 and he managed 1:26.1 in 20 degree cooler ambient and on cleaner track apparently.

Another tid bit: the Bimmer had dual clutch auto and wore std Pilot Super Sports. Interesting choice of factory tires given the track focused Competition variant, but likely to protect bragging rights of its bigger M4 brother in official tests. Then again tires are usually easy to swap...

Having said that the article gets a lot of things "right" imo, incl noting how superbly capable stock G3s are on the 1le.

As i said the piece is worth reading. There is also a great article on the owner of Pirelli World Challenge series describing the latter in a context of all other series et al.
Another great read full of very interesting info if one is into sports car racing scene. Cheers!

zr1chris · 10-21-2018, 09:12 AM

Anyone know what issues have the pre-refresh 1LE? Ive seen articles online but would like a hard copy.

thescreensavers · 10-21-2018, 09:56 AM

Seeing that the SS(not 1LE) more or less matches the laptime of an m4(1.6 mile track) not sure what they expected vs the M2

LS3JM · 10-21-2018, 10:33 AM

Quick question at getting “full power” said by OP.
How do I engage PTM? I know how to switch to Track. Thank for any replies.

Aragorn · 10-21-2018, 11:31 AM

That’s awesome—especially since the m2 is supposed to be nasty.

Chris V · 10-21-2018, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LS3JM

Quick question at getting “full power” said by OP.
How do I engage PTM? I know how to switch to Track. Thank for any replies.

When in Track, double tap the traction control button and select your mode.

wjones14 · 10-21-2018, 12:58 PM

What was the price as tested for both cars?

10-20-2018, 10:57 PM	#1
TrackClub Drives: 2020 SS 1LE (previous: 2017 SS 1LE) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada, eh! Posts: 5,091	Road and Track head to head: M2 Competition vs 2019 SS 1LE Really well written article. The 1LE beats the M at a track. They note slower acceleration by the Camaro but it is unclear what mode they ran it (switching it to Track mode without engaging PTM wont offer full power). Either way, the 1LE is a better track car for $15G less. And for the price of the M one could get a ZL1 with 200hp more. Regardless, the reviewers seem objective and do a nice job describing virtues of both cars. And by the way, the 1le looks like an exotic next to the Bimmer. IMO anyway. And the mag folks like the styling too! NB other great articles in this particular mag as well on racing subjects. Attached Images

10-20-2018, 11:32 PM	#4
JamesNoBrakes Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AK Posts: 2,301	The torque of the M2 will come on at a super-low RPM, even though the LT1 is around 300 at 1K, the M2 will hit full torque around 1700-2000 and that means every time it upshifts, it is starting with significantly more torque. That's the beauty of modern turbo engines. __________________ Everything happens for a reason, except when it doesn't, but even then, you can, in hindsight, fabricate a reason that satisfies your belief system. 2018 2SS 1LE 2023 Colorado ZR2 2022 Stinger GT-line AWD

10-20-2018, 11:34 PM	#5
JamesNoBrakes Drives: 2SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AK Posts: 2,301	And they are both kind of "meh" as far as styling goes. M4 looks much better, M2 looks "acceptable", but not all that interesting or aggressive. __________________ Everything happens for a reason, except when it doesn't, but even then, you can, in hindsight, fabricate a reason that satisfies your belief system. 2018 2SS 1LE 2023 Colorado ZR2 2022 Stinger GT-line AWD

10-21-2018, 12:58 PM	#14
wjones14 Drives: 2021 BMW M2 Competition Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Niantic CT Posts: 775	What was the price as tested for both cars? __________________ 2021 BMW M2 Competition 6MT 2011 Candy Lime Green Kawasaki Z1000 (1/4 mile - 10.38 @ 129.61 mph - stock) ---------- Previous: 2018 Summit White 2SS 1LE; 2015 MINI Cooper F56 6MT; 2015 BMW M235i 6MT; 2003 MINI 5MT; 2005 Mustang GT 5MT

10-20-2018, 11:30 PM	#2
MAGAUSA Drives: 2017 Hyper Blue 1LE Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Tampa Posts: 579	So happy my front end doesn't look like that. I wouldn't buy these new Camaros. I never thought I'd buy one in the first place and did because the 17s performed and looked good. The aesthetics of the new ones are just awful. Nothing flows off that front end.

10-20-2018, 11:31 PM	#3
ninetres Drives: Crush ZLE M6 \| 2000 Corvette FRC Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Cencal Posts: 1,659	I prefer the M2 appearance vs the 2019. :whoknows: It’s subjective. What track did they race at? Lap times?

10-21-2018, 08:28 AM	#8
TrackClub Drives: 2020 SS 1LE (previous: 2017 SS 1LE) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada, eh! Posts: 5,091	Palm Springs Thermal Club 1.8 mile config. The Chevy did it in 1:26.6, the Bimmer in 1:28.9 (which is one heck of a gap). Of note: the mag had a pro driver Alex Gurney test a Z/28 there for them in 2014 and he managed 1:26.1 in 20 degree cooler ambient and on cleaner track apparently. Another tid bit: the Bimmer had dual clutch auto and wore std Pilot Super Sports. Interesting choice of factory tires given the track focused Competition variant, but likely to protect bragging rights of its bigger M4 brother in official tests. Then again tires are usually easy to swap... Having said that the article gets a lot of things "right" imo, incl noting how superbly capable stock G3s are on the 1le. As i said the piece is worth reading. There is also a great article on the owner of Pirelli World Challenge series describing the latter in a context of all other series et al. Another great read full of very interesting info if one is into sports car racing scene. Cheers!

10-21-2018, 09:12 AM	#9
zr1chris Drives: 2018 Camaro 1SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Port Saint Lucie FL Posts: 1,224	Anyone know what issues have the pre-refresh 1LE? Ive seen articles online but would like a hard copy.

10-21-2018, 09:56 AM	#10
thescreensavers Drives: SW 1SS 1LE / Jeep XJ Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: WPB,FL Posts: 799	Seeing that the SS(not 1LE) more or less matches the laptime of an m4(1.6 mile track) not sure what they expected vs the M2

10-21-2018, 10:33 AM	#11
LS3JM Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Pa Posts: 132	Quick question at getting “full power” said by OP. How do I engage PTM? I know how to switch to Track. Thank for any replies.

10-21-2018, 11:31 AM	#12
Aragorn Account Suspended Drives: Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,538	That’s awesome—especially since the m2 is supposed to be nasty.

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