[2SSAustin]

So I am looking at procharging my 1LE 2SS and want to know peoples Pros / Cons... And what to watch for / upgrade so I dont have big problems later.

I was going to go NA route but Procharging might be cheaper for same results.

[DenverTaco07]

Cons are you will lose warranty and you may have harder time selling it. Vortech and I believe Procharger are reversible, but of course you will spend more time and money undoing the changes if they needed to be done.

Unless you are a professional gear head, I'd have it installed and tuned professionally by someone who has done many LT1 in the past.

[HyperBlueSS1le]

Did the install in my garage with a buddy (mechanic by trade). Took about 2 weeks of evening and weekend work. Nothing crazy, but the directions do have some areas where more detail would be helpful. Also installed a catch can (recommended for FI).

[KingLT1]

Honestly entry level P1SC cars are not impressive. My bolt-on E85 A8 car runs as good if not better then a P1sc M6 car that runs around here locally. the M6 gearing is too long and it takes them a long time to get up into power and they fall out of power on the shift. So even though the base kit claims 540-550whp peak, average power ends up around 460- 480whp. Go search dyno graphs and plot the shift extension on the M6 cars and you will see.

The A8 P1 cars run respectable and even better with a stall converter. Centri blowers build boost with RPM linearly, so tight shift extension helps tremendously.

Now don't get me wrong the bigger Prochargers such as the D1x and F1a are nasty but I would rather have a Maggie 2300 or Whipple 2.9 over any of the entry level Centri kits. The bigger Prochargers are also going to require some fuel system upgrades to take advantage of their power capability. Then you are approaching the point where, do you change the cam and pistons for fuel headroom and reliability? It's a rabbit hole for sure.

That being said Prochargers are the easiest to install and return to stock, so that helps with their popularity. However Magnuson offers a 3yr 36k mile powertrain warranty with their base system using their tune.

I suggest spending a good amount of time researching this topic then decide from there.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Honestly entry level P1SC cars are not impressive. My bolt-on E85 A8 car runs as good if not better then a P1sc M6 car that runs around here locally. the M6 gearing is too long and it takes them a long time to get up into power and they fall out of power on the shift. So even though the base kit claims 540-550whp peak, average power ends up around 460- 480whp. Go search dyno graphs and plot the shift extension on the M6 cars and you will see.

The A8 P1 cars run respectable and even better with a stall converter. Centri blowers build boost with RPM linearly, so tight shift extension helps tremendously.

Now don't get me wrong the bigger Prochargers such as the D1x and F1a are nasty but I would rather have a Maggie 2300 or Whipple 2.9 over any of the entry level Centri kits. The bigger Prochargers are also going to require some fuel system upgrades to take advantage of their power capability. Then you are approaching the point where, do you change the cam and pistons for fuel headroom and reliability? It's a rabbit hole for sure.

That being said Prochargers are the easiest to install and return to stock, so that helps with their popularity. However Magnuson offers a 3yr 36k mile powertrain warranty with their base system using their tune.

I suggest spending a good amount of time researching this topic then decide from there.

OP, find a local tuner that has procharged LT1s, I promise you a professional will be able to add 150 hp easy. I have my charts on here somewhere....

with my entry level vortech, wich competes with procarger entry level, I went from base dyno 411whp/420 torque, to 620whp/572 torque, same Dyno of course. so anyway you slice it the power gains were impressive. Procharger should do just as well.

my charts are in this thread https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...=498849&page=2

[laynlo15]

Maggie all the way.

[Eyefixstuff]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Maggie all the way.

As much as I love your character and your posts, this is like a Ford rep saying how much better a Mustang is than a camaro lol.

To the OP, I’m in mid 10’s currently on a P1SC1 A8 car that isnt fully dialed in yet. If I added a cheap meth system and got the trans fully tuned in, I would consistently see low 10’s and the car drives likes bone stock. My IAT’s on this little centri are also lower than any PD numbers I’ve seen as well. The base kit is fine!

EDIT: install time for the blower kit for me was +-5 hours

[KingLT1]

I wasn't implying that P1SC doesn't make power. They make great power, but on a M6 car they drop 80-100hp on the shifts due to the excessively long gearing. So they don't run as hard as the power suggests. Look at a average P1SC Dyno and check where the HP is at 46-4800rpm compared to 6500. They best on A8 cars with a stall converter that keeps the shift extension tight. I think a PD blower would be a better combo on a M6 with stock gearing and tire height.

[laynlo15]

Ford? Who makes those anyway?Eye its all good and Magnuson would get pretty pissed at me if I said Procharger all the way, I wouldn't say that but if I did I might stop getting checks in the mail. I love my job.

[Eyefixstuff]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

I wasn't implying that P1SC doesn't make power. They make great power, but on a M6 car they drop 80-100hp on the shifts due to the excessively long gearing. So they don't run as hard as the power suggests. Look at a average P1SC Dyno and check where the HP is at 46-4800rpm compared to 6500. They best on A8 cars with a stall converter that keeps the shift extension tight. I think a PD blower would be a better combo on a M6 with stock gearing and tire height.

I agree. Did not know the OP had a manual. I traded mine in because of this and got an auto actually.

[Eyefixstuff]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Ford? Who makes those anyway?Eye its all good and Magnuson would get pretty pissed at me if I said Procharger all the way, I wouldn't say that but if I did I might stop getting checks in the mail. I love my job.

Haha I know buddy. Just giving you a hard time.

[laynlo15]

Its all good, room for all of us.

[Dysan911]

but aren't there a lot more people lately surfacing about how crappy the A8 is with multiple flushes and TC changes and still suffering issues? Not just the Camaro but the same A8 in other Chevy cars and trucks as well.

I don't lose any ground when I shift with the No Lift method fwiw but that's just on the street and funny how many people don't take advantage of that.. However that said I agree a properly working auto is king of the track IMHO.

[KingLT1]

The converter shudder is not a transmission problem. If you have to replace a clutch in your M6 do you blame the transmission? People keep having issues because they don't want to void their warranty so they resort to GM's band-aid solution to the shudder. Supposedly a real fix is around the corner. Well there already is a fix if you don't care about warranty....tuning and or a good converter from Circle D or FTI fixes that problem. Have not heard of 1 person with a aftermarket converter having any issues.

Either way this is kind of off topic. Please don't get defensive. I am not saying putting a procharger on a M6 is a bad choice. I just think some things need to be changed to make the setup optimal is all...and currently it's not a cheap solution. M6 needs 4.30 gears with a 28" tire so it can reduce those 1800+ rpm shift extensions and stay up around 5500rpm on the gear change from a 6500rpm shift.