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There was already a great street car that can go to the track in the ZL1, so why not take the 1LE option package and in addition to adding aero etc. take away weight, add a more supportive track seat etc. I am sure cost played into it and so they didn't want to make too many changes to keep the price in line. Either way they are bad to the bone and if they really do only produce 750 cars they will be a keeper long term, if that limited in the end. |
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FPC design causes major vibrations and bad harmonics - they are well known for tearing engines apart, which in this case, the largest displacement engine with an FPC - is also the root cause of Voodoo failures.
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The ZL1 1LE is quite different. With it you get all the creature comforts of the standard ZL1 but you also get extreme handling. The problem is that people ignored GM's warnings. ANd it was mainly people who weren't built like that anyway. A bunch of pansy-ass MFers bought the car thinking they could handle the rough ride and found out they were too light for that type of work. Plenty others who bought the car for what it was meant for, the track...or those who bought it and weren't pansies and could handle the rough suspension, they all enjoy the car. Yes it is a small segment of buyers but it is still a segment nonetheless. Ford tried to hit that segment with the GT350 (R) and GM swung back with a haymaker and one upped Ford with the ZL1 and then 3 upped Ford with the ZL1 1LE. I think that was good on GM's part and it shows just how capable the Camaro is. Ford has yet to respond which is evident in the fact that they had to push the release date of the GT500 back. |
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Before the FP350S, and the Mustang GT4 at that (which also sports a similar CPC 5.2L), there was the GT350R-C. That car was supposed to replace the Boss 302R/S race cars. It WAS supposed to be available for private teams... but it never was. Ford had two (2) of thoes cars run by Ford Performance/Multimatic in IMSA in 2015. In 2016, Ford Perforamce/Multimatic only ran one and sold the other to Compass 360 (a team close-by to Multimatic in Canada). Compass and FP/Multimatic worked very close in running the cars. I believe it’s the second order vibrations, in relation to the stroke, that cause the most sever damage with the FPC. All the damping in the power/drivetrain are essential on the GT350 - the dual-mass flywheel, the transmission mount dampers and the exhaust dampers. I will bet the modified TR3160 was also beefed up for the vibrations and not just the torque. |
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Here is a good video of these two playing on a track.
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too many factors at play to draw any conclusions. Expensive hobby, but it sure looks like fun.
...I must be getting old because I find the R exhaust too loud LOL. |
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I love the R exhaust, but only at the track
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The driver in the Zl1 doesn't seem to be really pushing it. And it pulls hard away in the straights. I don't blame him for taking it easy. I would not want to wreck that car. It's amazing how stable it is in the turns, zero body roll.
The GT 350R is doing its best, but it's the slower car. And I might be the only guy on the planet that's not digging the sound of the engine. It sounds like it's about to take a dump. BTW, the GT350R only caught up because of the car in front of the ZL1. Last edited by torqueaddict; 11-01-2018 at 11:11 PM. |
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ZL1 1LE vs GT350R...not even worth debating.
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7.55 to about 8:15-20, the ZL1 pretty much dusts the GT350 in the straightaway. And in the corners he slows down excessively allowing the GT350 to catch up. The fact that the Zl1's driver is a novice and the GT350 can't pass him isn't exactly a glowing endorsement of the GT350R. Save for a tight track, the GT350R is out of its league.
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It must be another 6th Gen was trying, but not really trying deal.
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