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Old 09-06-2017, 12:29 PM   #15
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Very true. Ford will have to do some major work to compete a GT500, if they build one, with a ZL1 1LE. I'd like to see the Z/28 weigh around 3400-3500lb, have about 550hp naturally aspirated, and have the ZL1 1LE suspension and aero. That would make a badass car.
If you take a ZL1 1LE and gut the interior, how much weight are you going to save? At most a Z/28 would be pushing low 3700's, unless you start removing safety features like airbags, bumpers, etc.

Does anyone seriously believe the 6th Gen Camaro can be close to the same weight as the Z06 (Curb weight: 3,524 to 3,582 lbs)

Lets now assume they cut the weight, and need to develop a new N/A engine to compete with the ZL1 1LE. That's time and money, for what? The LT4 is an amazing engine, that has been proven.

I hate to say it, but I don't see a Z/28 making a return with the alpha chassis. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:09 PM   #16
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If you take a ZL1 1LE and gut the interior, how much weight are you going to save? At most a Z/28 would be pushing low 3700's, unless you start removing safety features like airbags, bumpers, etc.

Does anyone seriously believe the 6th Gen Camaro can be close to the same weight as the Z06 (Curb weight: 3,524 to 3,582 lbs)

Lets now assume they cut the weight, and need to develop a new N/A engine to compete with the ZL1 1LE. That's time and money, for what? The LT4 is an amazing engine, that has been proven.

I hate to say it, but I don't see a Z/28 making a return with the alpha chassis. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.

A Z/28 would weigh 3710 just by putting a LT1 engine in a ZL1 1LE without anything else being changed. Carbon fiber wheels @20lbs each would put the Z/28 at 3682. That alone is still cheaper than a ZL1 MSRP. Most people want a more powerful Z but reality is that the Z/28 wasn't the top camaro until then 5th gen. It's doesn't need to be now. GM can build a Z/28 at the same price GT350R right now with CCB if they wanted. Z/28 wo CCB 57,xxx. Z/28 with CCB 63,xxx. GM has already shown us they can outrun Ford cars in the road coarse with less power. Check out what the 5th gen 1LE did to the BOSS 302. A Z/28 with CCB will weigh 3650 or less by my calculations. Chevy just needs to make the Z/28 at least 8K or more cheaper than a ZL1 1LE option for option. It can be done on the 6th gen Camaro
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Old 09-06-2017, 02:19 PM   #17
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At this point there is no evidence. The only thing we have going in our favor:
All 5 previous generations have had a Z28 of some sort. It's one of the most recognizable models and uniquely Camaro.
There are still a few years left in the 6th gen and most would assume there will be some models or updates to spice things up before the 6th gen is done. We know there is a refresh coming from spy shots.

Doesn't mean we will get one, but there is hope. If we do it will probably be after the refresh (like the 5th gen).

A 6th gen Z with a little more power and a little less weight than the 5th gen Z would do really well. Wouldn't mind seeing a Z/28 & Z/28 1LE setup like the GT350/Gt350R. Give it 550 hp in either trim and add the extreme tires, aero, CCB, and DSSV to the 1LE package for the hard core track people.
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Old 09-06-2017, 04:42 PM   #18
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LT7 428CI with 700+ Hp NA with 4 cams and a lot more, IMO.
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:11 PM   #19
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LT7 428CI with 700+ Hp NA with 4 cams and a lot more, IMO.
I like the sound of that!!
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:18 AM   #20
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If you take a ZL1 1LE and gut the interior, how much weight are you going to save? At most a Z/28 would be pushing low 3700's, unless you start removing safety features like airbags, bumpers, etc.

Does anyone seriously believe the 6th Gen Camaro can be close to the same weight as the Z06 (Curb weight: 3,524 to 3,582 lbs)

Lets now assume they cut the weight, and need to develop a new N/A engine to compete with the ZL1 1LE. That's time and money, for what? The LT4 is an amazing engine, that has been proven.

I hate to say it, but I don't see a Z/28 making a return with the alpha chassis. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.
Exactly, I don't see anyway to get a Camaro that light, unless they use some expensive materials. I think they can do a 6th gen Z/28, it just needs a different approach than the the 5th gen car had. See below

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A Z/28 would weigh 3710 just by putting a LT1 engine in a ZL1 1LE without anything else being changed. Carbon fiber wheels @20lbs each would put the Z/28 at 3682. That alone is still cheaper than a ZL1 MSRP. Most people want a more powerful Z but reality is that the Z/28 wasn't the top camaro until then 5th gen. It's doesn't need to be now.
The first step IMO, would be that people need to accept a 6th gen Z/28 most likely won't be the top dog. The 5th gen car was, but future models dont need to be.

My recipe for a 6th gen Z/28 is pretty much follow the grand sport formula. Start with a SS 1LE, give it all the go fast suspension bits from the ZL1 1LE. Powerplant, IMO a hot LT1 would be just fine. Think LS1 to LS6.

It would easily be the top performing NA Camaro, probably in the upper 50 range price wise maybe low 60s.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:53 AM   #21
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Exactly, I don't see anyway to get a Camaro that light, unless they use some expensive materials. I think they can do a 6th gen Z/28, it just needs a different approach than the the 5th gen car had. See below



The first step IMO, would be that people need to accept a 6th gen Z/28 most likely won't be the top dog. The 5th gen car was, but future models dont need to be.

My recipe for a 6th gen Z/28 is pretty much follow the grand sport formula. Start with a SS 1LE, give it all the go fast suspension bits from the ZL1 1LE. Powerplant, IMO a hot LT1 would be just fine. Think LS1 to LS6.

It would easily be the top performing NA Camaro, probably in the upper 50 range price wise maybe low 60s.

Think that will sell, but that's not a Z/28 that's the Z28 cars of the past, as Al said the Z/28 needs to be true to its heritage, it will be IMO the top track car.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:29 PM   #22
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If you take a ZL1 1LE and gut the interior, how much weight are you going to save? At most a Z/28 would be pushing low 3700's, unless you start removing safety features like airbags, bumpers, etc.

Does anyone seriously believe the 6th Gen Camaro can be close to the same weight as the Z06 (Curb weight: 3,524 to 3,582 lbs)

Lets now assume they cut the weight, and need to develop a new N/A engine to compete with the ZL1 1LE. That's time and money, for what? The LT4 is an amazing engine, that has been proven.

I hate to say it, but I don't see a Z/28 making a return with the alpha chassis. Not trying to be negative, just realistic.
When you start removing a lot of the luxury electronic items then you will start losing a lot of weight. Since it will be a NA engine you won't have the weight of the supercharger. Also to get it closer to the weight that I was suggesting they would have to use carbon fiber body panels, at least on some panels, and yes I know this would increase the cost of it. GM can do it, the 4th Gen weighed around 3450lb. I agree with you though that there probably won't be a Z/28 for the 6th Gen, all of this is just speculation and wishing. The ZL1 and ZL1 1LE is a hell of a car.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:32 PM   #23
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A Z/28 would weigh 3710 just by putting a LT1 engine in a ZL1 1LE without anything else being changed. Carbon fiber wheels @20lbs each would put the Z/28 at 3682. That alone is still cheaper than a ZL1 MSRP. Most people want a more powerful Z but reality is that the Z/28 wasn't the top camaro until then 5th gen. It's doesn't need to be now. GM can build a Z/28 at the same price GT350R right now with CCB if they wanted. Z/28 wo CCB 57,xxx. Z/28 with CCB 63,xxx. GM has already shown us they can outrun Ford cars in the road coarse with less power. Check out what the 5th gen 1LE did to the BOSS 302. A Z/28 with CCB will weigh 3650 or less by my calculations. Chevy just needs to make the Z/28 at least 8K or more cheaper than a ZL1 1LE option for option. It can be done on the 6th gen Camaro
The Z28 was the top Camaro from '73-'95. There was no SS during that time.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:41 PM   #24
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The Z28 was the top Camaro from '73-'95. There was no SS during that time.
True. I had a '96 SS (black with the 6 speed) and really loved it. Very torquey and a lot of fun. I think the SS option bumped up the horsepower from 285 to 310 or so?
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:45 PM   #25
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IMO Chevy shouldn't make a Z/28 ever again. I remember this same discussion going on C5 forum and people said they would buy a Z/28 if Chevy made one including me. The Z was released and people flaked on Chevy except me. Mines was a lemon so I got rid of it. Was the 5th gen Z overpriced, sure was. With that being said I still got one and had fun DDing it till it broke. I miss driving that overpriced car though. People just don't want to pay 70K+ for a Camaro. I can't disagree with them either. Z/28 is the only Chevy I'll buy again. That's just me though.

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Old 09-07-2017, 12:51 PM   #26
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The Z28 was the top Camaro from '73-'95. There was no SS during that time.
The Z/28 not Z28. There is a difference. The slash was long gone by 82.
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The Z/28 not Z28. There is a difference. The slash was long gone by 82.
There is no difference except the slash, the Z/28 or Z28 was the top Camaro from '73-'95.
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There is no difference except the slash, the Z/28 or Z28 was the top Camaro from '73-'95.
The slash makes the difference Guess you forgot about what Al O stated about bringing the slash back. Yes the slash makes it different
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