[Petrol Head]

They've been going after our cars since the 60s..... the cancel culture ended the first muscle car era in 1972 and it appears they're gunning for our V8 engines, manual transmissions, and fun again today. The Camaro's future is murky at best. But that's at a more national level.

Yesterday the cancel culture got personal for me. The Cleveland Indians, our major league baseball club that was founded in 1901 as a charter member of the American League and has been named the Indians since 1915, announced they're changing their name in the wake of cultural appropriation.

I'm 43 years old and that's the last sentence I ever thought I'd write in my entire lifetime.

Those of you who are lifelong fans of your hometown team, the team you have deep roots in, where your Grandparents talked to you as a kid about that very same team when they were kids, you understand how we feel about this in Cleveland. If you're a Yankee fan from Charlotte and just like them because they're winners, you don't get it. But if you're a Yankee fan born and raised in the Bronx and your Grandfather was listening to the radio when DiMaggio got a hit in his 56th consecutive game (which, ironically, was in Cleveland), you get it.

Just imagine your house, full of memorabilia of your team with not only clothes and jackets but pictures and personal items of sentimental value that has no monetary value from your Grandparents and Aunts and Uncles, dating back to the 1930s from that team. It's one thing to change the name of a franchise that might have been around maybe 30-40 years, you're not that well rooted and connected by generations.

Redskin fans, we sympathize with you now. You've been the Redskins since 1930 and surely the hometown fans have countless personal memorabilia they're proud of. Although, I never thought Dan Snyder should have acquiesced either.

I tied this into the Camaro because I'm sick and disgusted and angry and want to do something about this. This cancel culture has got to stop. People need to either get over or learn how to deal with their overly sensitive feelings, or simply ignore what they don't like. That's part of being American - you have a choice. If you don't like something you don't need to watch or listen or be involved in it.

If you don't like fast cars you don't need to buy a Camaro or a V8 engine. If you don't like the Cleveland Indians or Chief Wahoo you simply don't need to watch the games or even come to Cleveland. We do fine without the nonsense of outside influences coming into our town, our city, and telling us what to do.

The Indians owner Paul Dolan is a spineless, gutless **ssy. A couple years ago the SCOTUS ruled that no one can file a lawsuit against any company or entity for being offended by the name or logo of that company. So there is no legal requirement for Dolan or Dan Snyder or any other owner to change the name of their franchise. They're only bowing to people who are simple minded idiots.

I love the history of baseball, and the history of MLB is full of owners telling the MLB commissioners over the years to go pound salt if they told them to do something they didn't want to do. They own the team - they can do whatever they want with it.

It's got to stop. We need to put a stop to this nonsense. The cancel culture has gone out of control.

[Nothing like an SS]

Unfortunately they cave in is not due to legal or political pressure, but due to $$$$$$$. WFT (Redskins) abruptly changed when the company that pays for their house (FedEx) left them no option.
It isn't legal pressure, it is financial. Baseball, Football, all a business and when the funds are cut off, guess what? You do what you need to survive.

That said, I totally agree with you completely! I am 56 and sick and tired of all the extreme sensitivity, it is just silly IMO.

[hrpiii]

now that you mention it, I've been Raiding the cookie jar since I was 7 years old. I am mad and appalled that the football team "Raiders" have given me a bad reputation and name. I feel hurt, put down, and disgusted they have been able to keep this name for this many years...

WHO's WITH ME!!! We March at 2pm!!!

but seriously, it is ridiculous. Because once the ball gets rolling, there is NO end in site to how much will cave to this. Are the Cowboys next? Are the Giants making fun of tall people? Are the Panthers ...oh wow, not going there. Kansas City is next on the block for the Chiefs.



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[WhiteMale]

Well the Chiefs haven't sold out for naming rights to Arrowhead to have to be at the mercy of another company like FedEx and the Redskins. But the Chiefs did make some moves like the Tomahawk Chop and so forth to try and placate the SJW's, it's all dumb and I figure the Chiefs will be on the block eventually. All I see when I see Indians/Chiefs/Redskins is strong powerful depiction of races that were admittedly in the past brutalized by the US Government. I see it as a great honor to be named in that way but I'm a privileged whitemale that refuses to acknowledge his inherent racism LOLOL

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by WhiteMale

Well the Chiefs haven't sold out for naming rights to Arrowhead to have to be at the mercy of another company like FedEx and the Redskins. But the Chiefs did make some moves like the Tomahawk Chop and so forth to try and placate the SJW's, it's all dumb and I figure the Chiefs will be on the block eventually. All I see when I see Indians/Chiefs/Redskins is strong powerful depiction of races that were admittedly in the past brutalized by the US Government. I see it as a great honor to be named in that way but I'm a privileged whitemale that refuses to acknowledge his inherent racism LOLOL

If you think about it, once the 13 colonies were established as a nation, they had no choice but to completely take over the continent from coast to coast.

Let’s say they’d have stopped at the Mississippi River. Let’s say the United States doesn’t make the Louisiana Purchase in 1803. We would still be fighting with the Indian tribes like every mid-east country has been fighting each other for 2000 years. Our govt was brilliant in that regard: it ensured cohesive, eternal future peace from coast to coast.

Imagine what goes on in Palestine and Israel today happening in America as we would know it only up to the Mississippi, and the western half of the country still all Indian. Whether people think I’m racist or not isn’t the point: we’d be at a constant, open ended war with the native Americans without manifest destiny.

Today the Indian reservations are their own nations. They pay no income tax to the United States, and have their own police and court system. If they want to tell me The Cleveland Indians and Chief Wahoo or the Washington Redskins and their mascot are so offensive they can start paying income tax and join our court system. They can share some of that wealth from their casinos if FedEx threatened to pull financial sponsorship from Washington, or Progressive Insurance from Cleveland.

Until then, they are hypocritical jerks.

[1COR.1:18]

New name.....The Cleveland Baseball Team???

[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Today the Indian reservations are their own nations. They pay no income tax to the United States, and have their own police and court system. If they want to tell me The Cleveland Indians and Chief Wahoo or the Washington Redskins and their mascot are so offensive they can start paying income tax and join our court system. They can share some of that wealth from their casinos if FedEx threatened to pull financial sponsorship from Washington, or Progressive Insurance from Cleveland.

Until then, they are hypocritical jerks.

The sad part is, it's mostly whiny little white liberals that are demanding these changes and getting their feelings hurt. Until everyone stops catering to these idiots, it's not going to stop.

[kevint]

Originally Posted by 14Black1LESS

The sad part is, it's mostly whiny little white liberals that are demanding these changes and getting their feelings hurt. Until everyone stops catering to these idiots, it's not going to stop.

Pretty sure it wasn't liberals complaining about Starbucks cups a few years back.

[14Black1LESS]

Originally Posted by kevint

Pretty sure it wasn't liberals complaining about Starbucks cups a few years back.

Did I say anything about Starbucks cups or that only liberals complain?!?!

[bigd1276]

We now live in a world where standing for the National Anthem is deemed offensive to some people. This is where we are..........

[zlathim]

I'm going to take your advice and not watch baseball and also stay away from Cleveland.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

We now live in a world where standing for the National Anthem is deemed offensive to some people. This is where we are..........

Yes. It's terribly sad.

I want our country back.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by zlathim

I'm going to take your advice and not watch baseball and also stay away from Cleveland.

Well, apparently you can now. Did you hear? We're changing our name so no one's feewings will be hurt! Yay!

[WhiteMale]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

If you think about it, once the 13 colonies were established as a nation, they had no choice but to completely take over the continent from coast to coast.

Let’s say they’d have stopped at the Mississippi River. Let’s say the United States doesn’t make the Louisiana Purchase in 1803. We would still be fighting with the Indian tribes like every mid-east country has been fighting each other for 2000 years. Our govt was brilliant in that regard: it ensured cohesive, eternal future peace from coast to coast.

Imagine what goes on in Palestine and Israel today happening in America as we would know it only up to the Mississippi, and the western half of the country still all Indian. Whether people think I’m racist or not isn’t the point: we’d be at a constant, open ended war with the native Americans without manifest destiny.

Today the Indian reservations are their own nations. They pay no income tax to the United States, and have their own police and court system. If they want to tell me The Cleveland Indians and Chief Wahoo or the Washington Redskins and their mascot are so offensive they can start paying income tax and join our court system. They can share some of that wealth from their casinos if FedEx threatened to pull financial sponsorship from Washington, or Progressive Insurance from Cleveland.

Until then, they are hypocritical jerks.