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I'll take his word for it over yours; someone who hasn't even driven one, and obviously not anywhere near the driver Pobst is (none of us are). It doesn't sound like it's an undercooked turkey to me based on a race car driver's take. And it's no secret he likes the Camaros, so that's high praise for the GT500s, IMO. Quote:
I wouldn't pay markup for one, for the record. And, I'd rather have a C7 Z06 or a C8 Z06 over a GT500. That said, I'm perfectly content with my GT and plan to keep it for a long time (2 years and counting).
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11-27-2020, 07:40 PM | #7926 | |
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When I brought my SS 1LE to a lapping day last time, I started with the needle at 3/4 mark and ended with the needle at 1/4 mark. Keep in mind, I wasn't pushing my car to the absolute limits as that was my first time. With a GT500 on a full tank, I could see the tank size being an issue for an entire day. You might have to shell out a bit of money for the expensive track has. Sent from toaster or something
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11-28-2020, 01:29 AM | #7927 | ||||
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And that is not the nature of these cars. It is the nature of poorly built cars like the GT500 is. GM took their time and did their homework and made the ZL1 smaller and lighter than the previous Gen. Ford did a rush job and undercooked the GT500 and it came out at near Hellcat proportions while still managing to have less options. Then they threw a bunch of mismatched parts at it, it rolled off the assembly line with fit and finish resembling that of an Ecoboost Mustang, and gave it a price tag much higher than the competition with less options. Again, it is not anywhere close to the performance deal of the other cars. All the praise it got was due to it being the first time in years that Ford built something that could compete with the others. And it still came up short. Good for you. |
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11-28-2020, 01:29 PM | #7929 | |
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I think the issue was the car has a 15.5g tank, you can use about 12g of that by the time the light comes on, nobody uses all the gas in a tank. They said (Sorry I should link to the vid, it was prolly Throttle House) they were filling up every 100 mi or so, which means 10 mpg or less on the street. I'm sure this is with liberal throttle applications... My SS might get 5-6mpg on track, I think the issue is the GT500 gets much less than that so it can empty it's tank exceptionally quickly, it sounds like it needs to be topped off every session and even then might drain it before it's over! I know mileage isn't a main factor when choosing a sports car but range may be, and when it gets this excessive it's an issue to fill up so often.
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That said, for my car, EPA rates the GT A10 at 25 mpg on the highway -- however, my car's trip computer indicates 30+ mpg on the 7 mile stretch of highway between my house and downtown, but that's pretty flat so I realize a road trip would probably be less with hills, etc. Assuming 16 gallons @ 25 mpg = 400 miles per tank on the highway; that's not really nerve wracking for me if I ever had to take it on a long trip. Most likely the 16 gal tank size was due to packaging requirements.
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11-28-2020, 01:54 PM | #7931 | |
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Again, no one drives to 100% empty, so realistically I think you would get 350 miles on highways before fueling. On a track, you probably also don't want to go too low on gas as fuel starvation can happen as it sloshes around when it gets too low and lean spikes are deadly, especially on an engine with forced induction. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable with the needle below 1/8 of a tank on a track. 1/4 would get my attention already. As for the weight reduction argument, can't say I agree with that. These pony cars are already a little front heavy and so a little fuel in the back is a good thing. And 50 pounds, which is how much half a tank weighs on a Mustang, isn't all that much in a car of that kind of power, and it's not to mention that's sprung mass. I don't even believe fuel weight played much role in acceleration in my RX-8, which is a lighter car(so the fuel amount would have much relative impact on the weight) with a slightly bigger tank(about 5 litre/1.3 gallon more) on the Mustang, and that thing has a lot less power and torque compared to the V8 ponies. Sent from toaster or something
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Our ZL1 gets a measured 4mpg on track when driven reasonably aggressively (HPDE) on track tires. At a race pace, I could see 3mpg pretty easily... which equates to nearly a gallon a lap on longer tracks. I'm not buying the 'one lap to empty' line, but IIRC there were some fuel gauge issues early on with the GT500s that were causing problems. What is certainly possible is a car that uses 10 gallons of fuel in a 20-30 minute HPDE session. That gets old pretty quick.
10-12mpg on the street with a 15 gallon tank would drive me crazy. Our ZL1 gets 19mpg in 'around town' driving and 22-24mpg on the highway. I don't like to go below 1/4 tank in normal driving. In our ZL1, that's ~250-270 miles. It sounds like a GT500 would be there in 110-130 miles... makes it pretty unusable, IMHO. Not that it matters all that much. There are five GT500s among the 'car guys' in our little town now. None of them do anything but drive them to C&C once a month anyway... |
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Looks like some of the modded GT500s are already starting to blow TF up. Stangmode's blew up and it was only at about 900 RWHP. And some other one blew up but was over 1100 RWHP. At least so the story goes. 900 RWHP to me is not really a level where these cars should be grenading. So perhaps it was a tuning issue. Or maybe Ford didn't make them as strong as people think they are. The LT4 seems to be good to about 1100 RWHP. If anything the trans is the weak spot at those levels. Kttxz06 made it all the way to about 1200+ to the wheels before the trans finally gave out on his ZL1. I'll probably call it quits around 1000 RWHP. But if the GT500 isn't strong enough to handle that then they're pretty much gonna lose the mod wars. For the record, Hellcats can handle over 1000 RWHP easily as well.
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That's the main reason I have a hard time with Ford products. The Focus RS was a massive kluge, even though it has potential it seems like some guy's garage project.
Ford has a long history of letting customers do their testing, putting out questionable designs and vehicles. All mfg'ers have their issues though, so pick your poison...
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I'm wondering if the DCT is an issue at those numbers. I remember we all talked about this months ago and it was mentioned that there was a good reason why most cars with DCT aren't over like 600 HP. WHich is further why I think a DCT in a Mustang was a bad move on Ford's part. Not only did it delay the car, but it also added unnecessary costs and now just might be the limiting factor if it is the weak point. We'll learn more as more people mod them. |
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