02-17-2020, 09:14 PM | #29 | |
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The best design in the world can be made to look bad with the choice of the wrong components and ignoring those who need help. Unfortunate for me I guess - I bought a couple of months before the update, so I guess I was SOL. Its a shame - my E2 can has been sitting in a box since Jan of 19 because I went with he can my tuner recommended (I didn't buy thru him, just went with what he knew worked). Headache solved.
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02-17-2020, 10:30 PM | #30 | |
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No thanks... I went with the Mishimoto and have been very happy with it...
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Added after delivery: - GMP CAI, GMP Black Strut Tower Brace, MRR017 1LE Wheels, SS Armrest, Black Fuel Door, Stainless Sport Pedals, SS Wheel Caps, Black Lugs/Locks, GM Splash Guards, DD Smoked LED Markers, Smoked Rear Reflectors, Mishimoto Catch Can, Xpel PPF - Full Front, SunTek 35% Tint, CeramicPro coating, RST Stainless Brake Lines, Castrol SRF, MSD Super Conductor Wires Left: My "fun" ride. Right: My "work" ride: a Gulfstream G600. One's top speed is 180 Mph, the other, 620 Mph... |
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02-18-2020, 07:23 AM | #31 |
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yep there is some minimal amount of pressure that builds up to vent. At or near WOT and especially with FI there is NO engine vacuum so the PVC is NOT working. The exact same amount of air is being moved in the crankcase as being ingested by the engine at WOT, even more, is being moved part throttle. This movement of air causes pressure waves, I honestly done know what the PSI or Kpa these waves are, but I do know the factory PVC does not function at this point. When will I blow out my seal? At or near WOT, what will prevent that? Many and large holes to the atmosphere, preferably at the top of the engine.
PVC at part throttle, I assume parts of the engine like the top valley are under a slight vacuum, I would assume places like the top of the valve cover to be at atmospheric. How much dunno, but the factory PVC hose is tinny. the oil from the cans when settled look reasonably clean, so I don't know how much cleaner engine oil will stay with a functioning PCV vs vent. Assuming that PCV "pulls" out say 2 oz more oil over 8,000 miles vs vent (got no idea). Racing, I don't know of any race cars that have a "passive" PVC, especially FI. I do know of some that run mechanical vacuum pumps that actually increase their draw with RPM. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cvs-vp625 There are track rules that require that oil / oil vapor be caught vs dump, but these are safety rules, not performance rules.
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02-18-2020, 07:33 AM | #32 | |
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02-18-2020, 11:33 AM | #33 | |
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I’ll take you up your office, have a Whipple w/ MM wild catch can setup. Willing to try yours in line for 1-2k miles. Just provide setup instructions once sent
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02-18-2020, 02:25 PM | #34 | |
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As we had explained earlier, water is released during the high pressures and heat of the combustion process. It does NOT burn as you had stated...and if your referring to Meth/Water injection with forced induction, that is the evaporation that cools the intake air charge. That can benefit by cooling, but the water also cannot burn, so it has a negative effect on the combustion process and the energy released. Here is from an SAE paper on this: "How does humidity affect combustion? An increase in humidity reduces the burn rate and increases the combustion duration. This increase in combustion duration has the same effect as retarding the time of ignition. Thus the thermal efficiency is reduced. Additionally, the engine is more likely to misfire as humidity increases." So, the mistaken assumption that water is in anyway able to burn in the combustion process is completely false. As Professional Racers, we measure every possible factor in the air at the track where were competing. This is done in grains, and the higher the moisture content, the less power we will make all things considered. So the Moroso is not trapping it because of how ineffective the design is. You want NO combustion by-products as part of the intake air charge. And with that Water we are trapping is Sulfuric acid and much more with NO benefit to including it in the air charge. There is no such thing as "too effective". The ideal goal is zero byproducts, but to achieve more than the 95% of our latest system design, you would need to incorporate a centrifuge and more complex filtration system like Alfa Laval or Racor sell for industrial engines. And again we see the same few complain about our service? We post this every few days. By phone, as we are all Engineers here working we do NOT have a dedicated employee for the phone. We have found it is far more effective to provide our Technical Support by email. That email is NOT Sales@EliteEngineeringUSA.com That is for ordering only. Tech@EliteEngineeringUSA.com is staffed nearly 24/7 and the customers that do use this give us praise all the time. So PLEASE use Tech@EliteEngineeringUSA.com for any technical, guidance in ordering the correct system for your application, and for installation help....and we offer this free for ANY evacuation questions whether you bought from us or not. This is how our operations have worked the best as people can simply go back to saved mail and review. And you can also download directly from our Installation Instruction section and or watch the videos of many. So if you have not used our posted contact info, odds are you won't get a response. Sales does sales. They are not the ones that do the engineering and design work. Engineering and Technical support is where we put our focus. Hope I did not miss any questions. We again will ALWAYS have as prompt of responses from those trained and qualified to provide correct guidance available at: Tech@EliteEngineeringUSA.com If we did miss any questions, please ask. There is so much confusing misinformation and assumptions floating around that those that DO want to learn get confused when the "keyboard" experts chime in. And again, we are providing the documentation and references to verify. NO one else is sharing anything technical, only assumptions, and at the money invested in your engine you need facts that can be validated and verified. Cheers! |
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02-18-2020, 04:03 PM | #35 |
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02-19-2020, 09:09 AM | #36 | |
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Dial in 13:47 on that video. It shows a close up of the jar from the Moroso. 2 oz of water on the bottom. 2 oz of water/oil sludge on top. Since the can was full, it shot the other 2 oz of mostly water (and a wee bit of oil on top because of the parting line). Any time you take 212*F steam and remove 970 btu/lb it will become 212*F water. Take a mirror and breather on it. The moisture condenses. Same with any catch can. Also, the Moroso container is smaller than the Elite. If you allow either one to fill up they're going to puke the extra out of the outlet side. That being said, If I had to choose between the 2, I think the Elite has MUCH better filtration. Besides, the water isn't the problem to worry about. It's the oil getting back in the chamber. THAT is what GM is trying to control to prevent detonation. |
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02-19-2020, 09:38 AM | #37 | |
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