[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Yes, "ONLY" different day or year

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The R can't even beat the old z/28?? That's pathetic. They might as well skip this generation entirely with the GT500 until Ford's engineers figure out how to compete on something besides brand recognition.

[JK001]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

The R can't even beat the old z/28?? That's pathetic. They might as well skip this generation entirely with the GT500 until Ford's engineers figure out how to compete on something besides brand recognition.

Bob Lutz (senior executive at GM, Ford, and others) has a different take on this: "Mustang has always beat Camaro where it counts- sales numbers". Lots of truth in that despite that camaro is the better car...

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by JK001

Bob Lutz (senior executive at GM, Ford, and others) has a different take on this: "Mustang has always beat Camaro where it counts- sales numbers". Lots of truth in that despite that camaro is the better car...

I just checked and the Car and Driver Lightning Lap and this thread has nothing to do with sales. They don't put an asterix by the ACR's lap time to indicate that it has been outsold by the Ecoboost.

If it was about sales I would suggest Ford start making Shelby-branded dinner plates and sell them to retired baby boomers on QVC instead of building overpriced and underperforming track cars.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

The R can't even beat the old z/28?? That's pathetic. They might as well skip this generation entirely with the GT500 until Ford's engineers figure out how to compete on something besides brand recognition.

MR-LS
GT350R - 1:36:11
Z/28 - 1:37:82

CWVR
GT350R - 1:57:87
Z/28 - 1:59:03

WSRW
GT350R - 1:28:29
Z/28 - 1:28:40

VIR
GT350R - 2:51:80
Z/28 - 2:50:90

You're right. How dare Ford build and sell a car that seems to take a trackbpretty successfully and be one that buyers want?


Back on topic, these ZL-1's are awesome cars. Especially at their price point, are they lugging around the same stupid ADM's that continue to plague GT350?

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

MR-LS
GT350R - 1:36:11
Z/28 - 1:37:82

CWVR
GT350R - 1:57:87
Z/28 - 1:59:03

WSRW
GT350R - 1:28:29
Z/28 - 1:28:40

VIR
GT350R - 2:51:80
Z/28 - 2:50:90

You're right. How dare Ford build and sell a car that seems to take a trackbpretty successfully and be one that buyers want?

Assuming there's any validity to those numbers, could you post some actual links since this is the internet? Your post makes it looks like you want to sneak out the back door before this gets ugly.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

MR-LS
GT350R - 1:36:11 http://fastestlaps.com/tests/jmev7s5lubeg
Z/28 - 1:37:82 http://fastestlaps.com/tests/g1kpdbt4hjzt

CWVR
GT350R - 1:57:87 http://fastestlaps.com/tests/655r4ezaz2d6
Z/28 - 1:59:03 http://fastestlaps.com/tests/2jtpzpa7elhj

WSRW
GT350R - 1:28:29 http://fastestlaps.com/tests/eli09c1fjlso
Z/28 - 1:28:40 http://fastestlaps.com/tests/6po7otf9o0v6

VIR
GT350R - 2:51:80 http://fastestlaps.com/tests/idh5pl0i5nca
Z/28 - 2:50:90 http://fastestlaps.com/tests/b44iii5a7huj

You're right. How dare Ford build and sell a car that seems to take a trackbpretty successfully and be one that buyers want?


Back on topic, these ZL-1's are awesome cars. Especially at their price point, are they lugging around the same stupid ADM's that continue to plague GT350?

Originally Posted by Red Chief

Assuming there's any validity to those numbers, could you post some actual links since this is the internet? Your post makes it looks like you want to sneak out the back door before this gets ugly.

Sure thing. I'm not here to pick a fight just responding to your post and making my comment that do indeed find the ZL-1's to be wholly impressive.

The requested links are above.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Sure thing. I'm not here to pick a fight just responding to your post and making my comment that do indeed find the ZL-1's to be wholly impressive.

The requested links are above.

The 350r has beat the z28 on most tracks, but what's really noticeable is how close the 1le is to the 350r. The 1le has even posted faster times then the z28.

[mcsoul]

Ford fans still happy about beating the gen 5 Z/28, we're on to bigger fish and while using street tires.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by mcsoul

Ford fans still happy about beating the gen 5 Z/28, we're on to bigger fish and while using street tires.

Curious to see the GT PP2 and how it compares to the 1LE. Also curious to see if the GT500 will even be competitive with the ZL1 on a track or if it just another drag strip focused Mustang.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

The 350r has beat the z28 on most tracks, but what's really noticeable is how close the 1le is to the 350r. The 1le has even posted faster times then the z28.

It really is amazing seeing the advancement being made in these cars. From the gen5 1LE being bested by gen 6 SS's, the Z/28 being topped at dome tracks by the new 1LE. On the Mustang side going from the likes of Boss302(LS) to GT350(R). He'll, even the Challenger guys tested the water with the T/A'a.

Some seem too quick on the trigger to downplay the competition at every turn. But you need that competition to avoid stagnation. So I say bring on these amazing cars, the more the better. Just as long as the manufacturers keep them somewhat within reach of those who will enjoy/use them to the fullest.

[Red Chief]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Sure thing. I'm not here to pick a fight just responding to your post and making my comment that do indeed find the ZL-1's to be wholly impressive.

The requested links are above.

Thanks for the links. Maybe this will explain better where I'm coming from:

Ford's used Laguna Seca in it's branding of previous Mustangs but yet there's only one appearance by a Ford in the top 50 records on that track. Dodge and Chevrolet have made a productive effort to get their cars in there with the foreign exotics and usually at a much lower price point. Ford's presence in the upper echelon is almost nonexistent.

It just seems like Ford's content to release special edition cars for collectors to fight over instead of truly competitive track cars that can run with the best.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by mcsoul

ZL1 1LE beat the C7 GS, 991 GT3 RS, 570S, 991.2 Turbo S

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virgin...e-post-01-2014



ZL1 A10 beat the 991 GT3, NSX, 991 Turbo S and the GT350R






Nice.

Side note the new AMG E63 S is a beast, easily whooping the 2017 Panamera Turbo plus any other luxury 4 door and giving the 2017 SS 1LE a run for it's money!

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-DG

[Bosse'sBoss]

In this order:
1. Camaro ZL1 1LE
2. Camaro ZL1
Depending on the track:
3. Camaro Z28 / Shelby GT350R / 6th. Gen Camaro SS 1LE

Behind all of them the regular Shelby Gt350, which proves that there is a huge difference on the R's lightweight Carbon wheels, carbon brakes and track tires which are fitted on that car compared to the stock one.

[Bosse'sBoss]

For the $ the 6th gen Camaro SS 1LE is a great track performer