[BWeir49221]

New to the forum. I’m looking into the best tires to replace the OEM F1’s that are currently on the vehicle. I am not tracking the car, at least now. I don’t plan to drive in rain, unless caught out during a drive. I would, however, like to have a tire that allows it to be driven in cold temps without cracking. I do want a tire that will allow for aggressive, spirited driving on occasion.

I had thought I would just go with Michelin’s PS4S’, but then realized those would restrict me from driving in cold temps. Now, I’m back to the drawing board. Do any of you have experience with a good performance all-season, if such a tire exists?

[kropscamaro16]

Here are some of the best all-season tires for winter and summer
Michelin CrossClimate 2
Bridgestone Turanza QuietTrack
Vredestein Quatrac 5
Continental ExtremeContact DWS06
Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4
Bridgestone Potenza RE980AS
Continental CrossContact LX25

[CTRifecta]

Continental DWS06+

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by CTRifecta

Continental DWS06+

I recommend these as well. I even drove on them in the rain slightly spirited and they hooked for the most part. I was genuinely impressed. You’ll get what you pay for. I used cheaper all season tires on my last SS (non 1le) and they were just as loud and uncomfortable as the run flats. The dws06 improved ride quality versus the super car 3’s on my 1le. Can’t say enough good things about them.

[WhiteMale]

Mich AS3+
Mich A/S 4 (??)
BFG Comp2 A/S+

...Anything in the ultra All season category is GtG

[Allez]

+1 on the DWS06+. Bonus of a quieter, less jarring ride.

[BWeir49221]

Originally Posted by Allez

+1 on the DWS06+. Bonus of a quieter, less jarring ride.

Smoother and quieter ride would be nice.

What’s the consensus on the PS4S tires and driving on them in 30 degree temps? Car is kept in an insulated garage, so they would never get below 45-50 degrees. Car is not a DD, so it would just be on occasion and conditions would be dry.

I’m hesitant to buy all seasons for the little driving that would occur during colder temps, and possibly sacrifice performance in the warmer months. There wouldn’t be any ‘hot rodding’ in cold weather, just grandma driving.

How much spirited driving will all seasons support in warmer conditions? Will they handle all the street driving you can throw at them?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by BWeir49221

Smoother and quieter ride would be nice.

What’s the consensus on the PS4S tires and driving on them in 30 degree temps? Car is kept in an insulated garage, so they would never get below 45-50 degrees. Car is not a DD, so it would just be on occasion and conditions would be dry.

I’m hesitant to buy all seasons for the little driving that would occur during colder temps, and possibly sacrifice performance in the warmer months. There wouldn’t be any ‘hot rodding’ in cold weather, just grandma driving.

How much spirited driving will all seasons support in warmer conditions? Will they handle all the street driving you can throw at them?

I have used my PS4S sets throughout the year except for the coldest weeks in Jan and maybe Feb, down to 35-36 degrees, with no issues. All-seasons are a constant compromise in, well, all seasons.

30 is pushing it somewhat, but if you leave from a heated garage, don't park the car on the street for several hours in these cold temps (letting your tires cool down below 32-33 degrees), and you can avoid salt/brine sprayed by obsessively rear end covering townships, you'll be fine. The car has snow/ice mode that makes the throttle pretty dull and limited, that's the mode I would use.

[BWeir49221]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I have used my PS4S sets throughout the year except for the coldest weeks in Jan and maybe Feb, down to 35-36 degrees, with no issues. All-seasons are a constant compromise in, well, all seasons.

30 is pushing it somewhat, but if you leave from a heated garage, don't park the car on the street for several hours in these cold temps (letting your tires cool down below 32-33 degrees), and you can avoid salt/brine sprayed by obsessively rear end covering townships, you'll be fine. The car has snow/ice mode that makes the throttle pretty dull and limited, that's the mode I would use.

The more research I’ve done on these the last couple of days, the more it makes me want to buy them. Biggest issue I worry about is them cracking in cold temps. From what I’ve read, it sounds like anything above 20 degrees is safe from cracking, but the tire may not have traction. Michelin says not to move the car at all below 20*. I doubt I’d drive this vehicle below 30 degrees anyhow and I do know how to drive on limited traction.

Who has the best price on the PS4S? I see they have different models of these, all in the size I need. Any particular compound I should go for?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by BWeir49221

The more research I’ve done on these the last couple of days, the more it makes me want to buy them. Biggest issue I worry about is them cracking in cold temps. From what I’ve read, it sounds like anything above 20 degrees is safe from cracking, but the tire may not have traction. Michelin says not to move the car at all below 20*. I doubt I’d drive this vehicle below 30 degrees anyhow and I do know how to drive on limited traction.

Who has the best price on the PS4S? I see they have different models of these, all in the size I need. Any particular compound I should go for?

These are the Pilot Sport 4 variants that I know of:

1. Pilot Sport 4: slightly lower performance, cheaper street compound
2. Pilot Sport 4S: high performance dual compound (dry traction optimized outer tread + wet traction optimized inner tread), this is the real deal (for maximum confusion , you'll find that 2-5 submodels for each size within this model (!), optimized for different OEMs like Ford, Audi, Porsche, Mercedes or Ferrari; it won't hurt if you buy any of those, but I stick to the "standard" one that says "blackwall" with no extra OEM designation)
3. Pilot Sport 4S ZP: runflat ("zero pressure") variant; I avoid runflat tires because of their rock hard sidewalls and the resulting extra noise and harsher ride
4. Pilot Sport All Season 4: all-season compound
5. Pilot Sport All Season 4 ZP: all-season compound runflat ("zero pressure") variant
6. Pilot Sport All Season 4+ ZP: I don't actually know what this is, probably an improved version of the runflat all-season tire

There is another, less known option that you may want to consider: the older Pilot Super Sport tire, also from Michelin, the predecessor to the PS4S. The main difference between that and its successor is that the PS4S has a perfectly vertical, no-bulge sidewall that is softer, which results in better ride and less road noise, but renders the tire a bit more "squishy", which then makes steering a bit less communicative and less responsive (less "darty").

The difference isn't huge, however, only a few hardcore drivers complain about it, and I find the PS4S very responsive---it may not be the absolute best in steering communication, but this tradeoff resulted in better ride quality and less road noise. If, however, you want the sharpest possible 1LE street setup with Michelin tires, the PSS is worth considering.

As to cost, Tire Rack typically has good prices, but honestly, apart from some sweet Costco promotions and (perhaps accidental) Walmart sales, every channel has practically the same prices, give or take 10-20 dollars per tire.

[BWeir49221]

Many thanks for all the info.

[BWeir49221]

Does anyone have pics of their car with the Continental DWS06+? I think I’m between this and the PS4S.

[Spaceme1117]

I have the Continental DWS06+ on my 2017 Camaro 2SS on a set of 1LE wheels. Excellent tires and they do have a nice ride.

I will see to take a few pictures today of them on my car and post later.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by BWeir49221

Does anyone have pics of their car with the Continental DWS06+? I think I’m between this and the PS4S.

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