[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by carguy55

The Cup 2 tires can give a few quick laps even on a PP2 Stang that's for sure

The stock GY F1 SC3 tires are VERY close grip wise to the Cup 2 tires.

The F1 SC3 R's are better than the cup 2 tires.

[erwan7]

Originally Posted by Chevyfan4life

So do you think if the 1LE had Cup2 tires.That it would post some faster laps?Are the Cup2 tires that much better?Please inform because i know both are good tires.I just don't know how much better one is over the other.

both on mpsc2

[NeverDie]

Originally Posted by protovack

This should silence the "should've got a V8" crowd considerably
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LMAO, no. Go sit in the corner, you're not a professional racing driver just because you got the slow car like he did.

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by NeverDie

LMAO, no. Go sit in the corner, you're not a professional racing driver just because you got the slow car like he did.

He's probably faster in that T4 than any of us forum members in any Camaro.

The T4 isn't all that slow (modded). Light weight and well balanced the T4 Camaro 1LE is no slouch on a track. And FWIW, I had a modded ATS try me a few weeks back from a dig. He was quick off the line as I spun my cold, worn OEM tires. He fell behind thereafter, but would have held up quite well against an SS.

[TRZ06]

I often wonder what the magic sauce is in the Alpha Chassis. What is it that makes it so great that other manufacturers can't match? Is it all suspension geometry, or is there more to it? Obviously, I am not an engineer, lol.

It has been out for quite a long time now and even today, it seems better than anything else out there (san P-Cars and exotics).

I wonder if the C8 platform will match or beat it?

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

The stock GY F1 SC3 tires are VERY close grip wise to the Cup 2 tires.

The F1 SC3 R's are better than the cup 2 tires.

Pace is almost identical based on having tried one set in stock sizes. Cup2s seem a lot more sensitive to pressure (i had issues dialing them in) and for 2 sets of the Cups i can buy 3 sets of the G3s. No contest.
Also, the Cups chunked on me on a tight circuit where you have to throw the car in to be quick.
NB all my PBs were done on stockers (even tho i also tried a pair of RE71Rs). I do have a spare set of the latter and will give them another try next season. But all things considered, the stockers are mighty. Just look at Provoste's recent time at VIR. Ive also lost count of ZL1 and ZL1 1LEs i have passed even on G3Rs. But to be fair, the drivers had less experience. Lastly, the stockers are one of the easiest tires to drive fast on. They communicate limits extremely well and are very predictable. To me anyway.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I often wonder what the magic sauce is in the Alpha Chassis. What is it that makes it so great that other manufacturers can't match? Is it all suspension geometry, or is there more to it? Obviously, I am not an engineer, lol.

It has been out for quite a long time now and even today, it seems better than anything else out there (san P-Cars and exotics).

I wonder if the C8 platform will match or beat it?

Based on Randy getting 2.01 at VIR the Vette is special.
Put Cup2s on it and it will go to another level. Way beyond ZL1 1LE imo.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by protovack

I suspect Randy chose the turbo 1LE for its light weight and handling characteristics. This should silence the "should've got a V8" crowd considerably
In reality any 1LE is a great choice. I've owned an SS 1LE, and now drive a 2.0T. If I had the garage space I'd have one of each engine type, each in a different color.

I was surprised to see that he didn't pick up a V8 or SC V8 6th gen Camaro with the 6MT.
But shows his admiration for the great handling Alpha platform Camaro.

[sadpanda]

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I often wonder what the magic sauce is in the Alpha Chassis. What is it that makes it so great that other manufacturers can't match? Is it all suspension geometry, or is there more to it? Obviously, I am not an engineer, lol.

It has been out for quite a long time now and even today, it seems better than anything else out there (san P-Cars and exotics).

I wonder if the C8 platform will match or beat it?

First of all its GM so you gotta know they never make new sauce, the copy old sauce.

In this case they copied very good old sauce:

GM engineers benchmarked the 1999-2006 BMW E46 3 Series, which ATS chief engineer Dave Masch and his team regarded as the most dynamic and driver-focused iteration of the 3 Series.[5] The engineers emphasized low weight when developing the ATS and their efforts resulted in a finished vehicle that weighs less than the BMW E46 benchmark.[4] To achieve this result, Masch suggested that the engineering team disregarded certain GM product development rules that, had they been followed, would have resulted in a heavier vehicle.[6]

And unlike current BMW which has lost its way entirely, they kept the weight down and fun up

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by sadpanda

First of all its GM so you gotta know they never make new sauce, the copy old sauce.

In this case they copied very good old sauce:


And unlike current BMW which has lost its way entirely, they kept the weight down and fun up

I gotta correct you on the "never new sauce" comment:
MRC is GM's invention over 2 decades ago (patent has run out so everybody is now on the MagneRide bandwagon). At one point, GM even licensed the technology to Ferrari. Cheers!

[pbsinternet1le]

If you ck his fb page he bought the 4cyl for a daily.

[JROC]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

I gotta correct you on the "never new sauce" comment:
MRC is GM's invention over 2 decades ago (patent has run out so everybody is now on the MagneRide bandwagon). At one point, GM even licensed the technology to Ferrari. Cheers!

A GM manufacturer invented muscle cars as we know them.

[sadpanda]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

I gotta correct you on the "never new sauce" comment:
MRC is GM's invention over 2 decades ago (patent has run out so everybody is now on the MagneRide bandwagon). At one point, GM even licensed the technology to Ferrari. Cheers!

I never said GM wasn't innovative with technology (hydro forming, early CAD/CAM & mainframe computing funding and adopter, automatic trans, catalytic converter, air bag, HUD etc) HOWEVER, they normally just follow suit with overall design. Ie mustang>f-body, bronco>blazer, 50s euro sports cars >corvette, German sedans for decades>zeta platform....

Back to dampers... When you say GM invented MRC, you mean Delphi; which was owned by GM until the majority sale in 1999 and completely devested (suspension/brake wise) in 2009 with BWI purchase. The earliest related damper patent I found was granted to Delphi in '02, well after the GM majority sale. GM likely negotiated a 5 year exclusive, though in that early stage, I doubt there would have been any other takers.
So the idea of Ferrari/Honda/BMW/Audi/Lambo coming to GM, hat in hand asking for MRC is simply false.


Furthermore, Delphi did not invent the magnetorheological damper, they simply improved it... First proposed and patented in the 50's but not really refined/put into practical use until 1992 by Lord Corp

[NeverDie]

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