04-29-2021, 01:27 PM | #1 |
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Have recently ran a couple of cars at the drag strip that i wasn't expecting to beat or be close to. Im up in Reno NV so our elevation is pretty high and we have terrible DA so some of these times might look not normal to you and my car is also a M6. Mods are long tubes, 103TB, MSD intake manifold, K&N intake and E85. Lots of wheel spin on regular street tires but i just recently put on some drag radials and she hooks way better on the street, havent had a chance to get to the track yet on them.
Up here at our local drag strip i ran a 12.7 @114 against a stock hellcat who ran a 12.8 @113 which was best times for both of us all day. Elevation 4900' DA 5300ish SAC drag strip i did an 11.7 @123 which was my best time. I was right there all day with a Stock M6 ZL1 who ended up squeaking me out with a 11.69@ 125. Elevation near zero DA 800' Also at SAC i was consistently faster than a GTR what was running also running low 12s high 11s. Pretty cool to see with some minor mods and driving experience i can keep up with cars $20k more, these new gen camaros are pretty impressive. Also have vids for proof if anyone wants |
04-29-2021, 04:55 PM | #2 |
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A trap speed of 113 for a stock HC seems way off. Are you sure it was a Hellcat and not a SRT8? I can understand the ET if it was on stock street tires. But the trap speed should be much higher.
These times and trap speeds do seem to be a bit off. DA affects forced induction vehicles more than NA vehicles tho. And the M6 ZL1s do have the bog programmed into them from the factory. So 11.6 at 125 is impressive if he was able to manage that. What year GTR was it? Because that also seems way off. If it was an older one then I can see it. But a newer one should be much faster than that. Were these all beginner drivers? It just seems that these times are way off. For reference, out here in NJ during the Summer stock HCs on DRs are in the low 11s and high 10s and well into the 120s. GTRs (newer ones) are also low 11s to high 10s. Terrible DA will throw everything way off so I'm not sure how much it can be trusted. But I'll say again, those times and trap speeds seem to be way off. Your ET and speed seem to be spot on for a modded and E85 tuned SS with a good driver. GTs and SSs with bolt ons, E85, and a good driver typically can hang with a stock ZL1 or stock HC especially if the HC is on stock tires. HCs really do need DRs to run good. If it was a M6 HC then even more so. I firmly believe the auto trans GTs and SS can beat bone stock street tire M6 HCs. But I do not see how the trap speed was 114. I'd say post the slips so we can see what went wrong on those runs. |
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04-30-2021, 07:34 AM | #4 |
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Read his post again, he was at 4900' ASL. Almost a mile up, and that has a BIG effect on performance. I have raced in the past at a mile-high dragstrip, and times/speeds up there are way off what the same machine runs at low altitude. I agree with OP that it was a Hellcat, because 113 mph is about what a 392 runs at very low altitude, therefore, absolutely no way would a 392 run that fast at 4900' ASL.
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04-30-2021, 08:46 PM | #5 | |
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Again, the times and speeds seem off for that elevation. His modded SS up against a HC in a roll race should not stand a chance trans for trans. Which is why the HC should have a higher trap speed. I'm not putting the SS down (if that's what you're thinking). I mean, not for nothing but I don't think we need to discuss that the HC and ZL1 both are faster cars than the SS even with boltons. So if he is running identical times and trap speeds in that kind of DA with just boltons then there has to be an explanation. Perhaps the slips will tell the full story. Maybe it was a combination of DA and those drivers not being too good. Either way it is just odd to see a HC trap 113 alongside a SS. |
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Look dude, I don't know how many times I have to repeat it...but it seems like you're taking this a bit personal because you have a SS. So I will repeat again and break it down a bit more. Same day, same track, same conditions, trans to trans, and similar driver ability, I have never seen a bolton SS keep up with a Hellcat. Not with trap speed. Even a ZL1 won't have the same trap speed as a stock HC. If DA is going to affect the HC's times and speeds then it will affect the SS too. And I'm not seeing it affect them to where a SS is keeping up unless those other cars had less experienced drivers. And again, even then the speed should not be the same as a SS. Or do you think the extra 200+ HP tp the wheels just vanish into thin air? I would need to see the slips. Now if for some reason you think a bolt on SS can trap the same as a Hellcat then go and roll race one and let me know how that works out for you. It ain't a pissing contest. I simply do not see it as being possible unless the SS driver has much better skill and the HC and ZL1 drivers are less skilled. Which is more than likely the case as you will typically see higher skilled drivers in lower powered cars on average I would think. Now if for some reason you still don't understand or you do think a bolt on SS can match a HC then I think this conversation is over. |
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The only way to know for sure what went wrong is to see a slip. And yes, for a HC to trap the same as a bolt on SS same track same day same temps and auto to auto, something went wrong. Don't go thinking your SS will match a HC in trap speed or top end because there are plenty of ways you can find out just how wrong you are. |
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As far as the bolt-on SS only matching the stock Hellcat in 1/4 mile trap speed if something went wrong with the Hellcat, that would mean ALL of the Hellcats on street tires, and I've seen PLENTY of them on the dragstrip, have something wrong. You are either guessing wrong on the high side for stock Hellcat trap speed, guessing wrong on the low side for bolt on SS trap speed in the 1/4 mile, or some combination of that. There are guys with bolt on SS that have done 127 or more trap speed, they really are faster on the dragstrip than you want to admit. |
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05-03-2021, 09:41 AM | #12 |
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Its pretty normal for hellcats to trap mid to low teens up here. look at you guys getting all zesty i love it, ill see if i can find the slip for yall
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And I still don't see a stock HC trapping the same as a bolt on SS on the same track same day. The only thing I can say is that it is a combination of the stock tires, horrible DA, and inexperienced drivers. Depending on the miles on those tires they could probably be pretty much useless. And most HC owners that I know of who plan to track their car will swap out the tires as a first mod. Because running a high 12 at 113 in a $70K car with over 600 RWHP stock is depressing. Shit, my 5th Gen FBO SS with M6 trans was running 12.8-13 flat at 112-113 consistently. |
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