[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The GT HAS to be optioned in a specific manner to get the one that is faster than a SS. There are very few of those. And even then it is only a 1 tenth of a second difference. Going further that is if you're on a prepped track, in great weather, with a great pro-level driver, and can spend an entire day trying to wring out the best quarter mile to the 100th of a second. Chances are if you and him are of equal driving skill and both have the auto trans and both go to a track day where you won't have time to perform 30 minute rituals before each run...you will win.

The problem is that Mustangs need everything to go properly and several conditions to be met for them to run these fantastic times that people claim they can do. Remove one factor and everything goes to shit. Race on a warm day or off a super-prepped track or after driving for more than 20 minutes (heat soak) or without the special option package and the GT or GT* will not stand a chance.

So, as a former 18 5.0 owner, I'm not sure what you mean by a special option package? Could you clarify? I can only guess that you mean the equipment packages that include the drive modes and more specifically drag mode?

[Bluecyclone]

We mustang owners mod our ponies for special desires. I enjoy R/T racing and built my pony's suspension for track duty and the twisty's. Drag racers mod for straight line speed, suspension comes into play but somewhat differently. I enjoy my Gen 2 "paddle" pony and drive it daily for work thru 6 Texas counties. I just wish I saw more Camaro's on the roads to run with.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

So, as a former 18 5.0 owner, I'm not sure what you mean by a special option package? Could you clarify? I can only guess that you mean the equipment packages that include the drive modes and more specifically drag mode?

Pretty sure the special package or gt* some guys refer to is the pp1 GT a10. It's not just the pp1 though imo either pp1 GT a10, or a GT a10 with optional 3.55 rear end. You don't need the pp1 package for the 3.55 rear end option on an a10 GT. The 3.55 is basically the special equipment required for the GT*.

[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Pretty sure the special package or gt* some guys refer to is the pp1 GT a10. It's not just the pp1 though imo either pp1 GT a10, or a GT a10 with optional 3.55 rear end. You don't need the pp1 package for the 3.55 rear end option on an a10 GT. The 3.55 is basically the special equipment required for the GT*.

3.55 gears are optional on most auto configured GT's as that is the most aggressive ratio you can get for the A10. (As opposed to the M6 with 3.73). You are correct, the PP1 or PP2 has nothing to do with it. All the powertrains are the same between the various packages. 300a, 301a, 400a and 401a. The only difference are the drive modes that are available on all of those except the 300a.

Drag mode is the only possible variable. When activated it removes torque management during shifting, among other things. As stated previously, this package of drive modes (of which Drag is a part of) is NOT rare. All premium Mustang 5.0's (400a and 401a) get them as do the non-premium 301a.

Maybe the GT (*) (or special) you are thinking of is just the premium pckg. GT Premium....it automatically comes with the drive modes.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

3.55 gears are optional on most auto configured GT's as that is the most aggressive ration you can get for the A10. (As opposed to the M6 with 3.73). You are correct, the PP1 or PP2 has nothing to do with it. All the powertrains are the same between the various packages. 300a, 301a, 400a and 401a. The only difference are the drive modes that are available on all of those except the 300a.

The drag mode is the only possible variable. When activated it removes torque management during shifting, among other things. As stated previously, this package of drive modes (of which Drag is a part of) is NOT rare. All premium Mustang 5.0's (400a and 401a) get them as do the non-premium 301a.

Yea that's what's referred to as the GT*, 3.55 rear end a10 with drag mode. Not all a10s GTs are equipped that way but it's not unicorn rare either as some believe.

That set up is as fast or maybe a tenth faster than the a10 SS imo. A non 3.55 a10 GT will be a tenth or two slower. I've seen some videos of drag mode not necessarily being faster than sport mode but being more consistent.

[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Yea that's what's referred to as the GT*, 3.55 rear end a10 with drag mode. Not all a10s GTs are equipped that way but it's not unicorn rare either as some believe.

That set up is as fast or maybe a tenth faster than the a10 SS imo. A non 3.55 a10 GT will be a tenth or two slower. I've seen some videos of drag mode not necessarily being faster than sport mode but being more consistent.

Could be. I know my best times were always with Drag Mode. Sport is more of a roadcoarse calibration and can make it difficult to manage recovery if you get tire spin. It is also programmed to pull timing under certain road course conditions that are not ideal to drag racing. John Lund Jr. was my tuner and I got this info from him after using sport mode.

[Fast02Z06]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Should be noted that a10s without the 3.55 rear are not as fast and your blanket statement that all 18+ a10 GTs are faster than a8 or m6 ss's simply isn't true, standard rear end cars are slower. Even then, plenty of performance pack a10 GTs have drivers races with m6, a8, and a10 camaros. The a10 3.73 GT should be faster but isn't always the case.

Also an m6 15-17 or 18+ GT should lose to any SS trans combo handily. A10 is definately king in the mustang world by a good bit stocl for stock.

I’m agreeing with you 80%. No manual 5.0 can touch a 6g (stock). On the other hand any geared 2018+ A10 5.0 will walk any ss up to 2018. I currently have a 2018 Zl1, AND a 720 rwhp C7Z so I’m more biased toward gm if anything however I hate when the gm fanboys swear the 5.0 A10 can’t beat the ss. I go out very regularly to Mexico and do pull after pull after pull and watch various geared A10’s hand out L’s to 6th gen ss Camaros (stock for stock). Now on the other hand the A10 ss vs A10 coyotes are different and I’ve seen it go both ways and usually depends on the driver.

I absolutely love all American muscle cars and call a spade a spade.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

So, as a former 18 5.0 owner, I'm not sure what you mean by a special option package? Could you clarify? I can only guess that you mean the equipment packages that include the drive modes and more specifically drag mode?

If you read his posts you will see he thinks that the laws of physics don't apply to certain cars so you can disregard any perceived knowledge of drag racing.

For instance, Mustangs have traction problems which the Camaro's do not suffer from on the same surface and are affected by density altitude MORE than a Camaro is because of their special engines.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Fast02Z06

I’m agreeing with you 80%. No manual 5.0 can touch a 6g (stock). On the other hand any geared 2018+ A10 5.0 will walk any ss up to 2018. I currently have a 2018 Zl1, AND a 720 rwhp C7Z so I’m more biased toward gm if anything however I hate when the gm fanboys swear the 5.0 A10 can’t beat the ss. I go out very regularly to Mexico and do pull after pull after pull and watch various geared A10’s hand out L’s to 6th gen ss Camaros (stock for stock). Now on the other hand the A10 ss vs A10 coyotes are different and I’ve seen it go both ways and usually depends on the driver.

I absolutely love all American muscle cars and call a spade a spade.

I do think the a10 pp1 GT is the fastest on a roll race by a little bit, I don't think off a dig it has much of an advantage, but even then its still a race, I've seen a10 GTs in Mexico lose to m6 and a8 6th gens. I've seen m6 6th gens beat a10 ss's as well (there was a youtube video recently of a 19 1le walking a 19 a10 ss, just an example). The GT a10 should win but it's close enough where it doesn't always happen. I'm not discrediting what you've witnessed just adding what I've seen as well. Obviously I've seen GTs walk 6th gens plenty as well.

Obviously a lot of this depends on the type of race, and starting speed for roll races for sure and the mustang a10 definately favors high speed rolls, especially against m6 and a8 6th gens. I also believe in a stock car the 3.55 cars are noticeably faster than the 3.31s.

I love all American cars as well, in my family I'm out numbered against mustangs so I get a lot of first hand Mexico experience against 5.0s lol.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

Could be. I know my best times were always with Drag Mode. Sport is more of a roadcoarse calibration and can make it difficult to manage recovery if you get tire spin. It is also programmed to pull timing under certain road course conditions that are not ideal to drag racing. John Lund Jr. was my tuner and I got this info from him after using sport mode.

Just going off of my cousins a10 and his results. I know drag mode should be fastest and doesn't cut in with TQ management as much. This car was on a tire, and even though his fastest time ever was in sport mode he gets closer to that time consistently in drag mode so obviously its the better choice for racing.

[chaospiece]

The a10 is very interesting. I've heard ramblings how it's weaker the the a8 , that it has torque cutoff because it can't handle it.

Even the new mustang a10 have been destroyed when modding the 5.0.
Considering theyre cousin transmissions, they both probably limit torque in the tune.

[RageWorx]

Originally Posted by chaospiece

The a10 is very interesting. I've heard ramblings how it's weaker the the a8 , that it has torque cutoff because it can't handle it.

Even the new mustang a10 have been destroyed when modding the 5.0.
Considering theyre cousin transmissions, they both probably limit torque in the tune.

They aren't ramblings its right there in the torque rating Also the times seen so far there is more torque management at play with the A10 vs the A8 in the SS .... A8 - 8L"90" and A10 SS 10L"80" or A10 GT 10R"80". Actually its said the torque handling on the 8L90 is 1000Nm but the for safety rating they list it as 900Nm.

The only A10 that has an equal rating or close to the A8 is the ZL1 A10 as its the 10L"90".

But so far all the fastest times for the 6th gen Camaro platform and the C7 Vette platform have been the A8 - 8L90 and not the 10 speed cousins but the 10L90 could achieve that at some point but not sure its proven to be stronger than the A8 either.

I know everyone loves these 10 speeds and they are great units(and drive way nicer than the A8 especially at low speed driving) but they are not bullet proof and have been starting to fail unfortunately.

The A8 the main issue is the Shudder so with a fluid change/tuning its helps that or solves it completely so other than that the A8 is a great "Performance transmission" ... Drive-ability is not great but as far as power/torque handling and performance the A8 has Not been a disappointment.

However the new 10 speeds are the future and what we currently have so it really doesn't matter but I'm in no rush to dump my A8 for an A10 as its been good to me lol.

-Jon

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Are you aware of how far behind the Mustang was from 2015 to 2017? They closed the gap in 2018 with one option (GT*). The rest of the GT still trails the Camaro and the GT350 is expensive and under performs in comparison.
The GT500 will be the first step toward being ahead.

What is a GT*?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

What is a GT*?

Think of the GT* as the REVan Evan configuration. Its the combination that has an edge on the SS auto/manual on a prepared surface.

* GT, A10, PP, Michelin PS, 3.55 in drag race mode