NO NO NO NO NO TTV6 Fail

Bizaro · 01-12-2015, 11:20 AM

http://jalopnik.com/ford-gt-this-is-it-1678893649

TT v6? REALLY? LOL FORD

I seriously hope people stop with this TTv6 BS!!! Camaro6 and Zora better not even think about it!

LOBBS · 01-12-2015, 11:22 AM

Unfortunately, it is the future. Big V8s will soon be regulated out of existence.

ZED SLED · 01-12-2015, 11:25 AM

Cadillac ATS-V
TT V6 450hp. You know it's going to end up on other platforms.
I don't have an issue with that. Like it or not, it's coming.

Bizaro · 01-12-2015, 11:29 AM

Dont you think its a little too early for a ttv6 on a halo car? maybe in another 10 years but not now! Its as if stingray would of came out with a ttv6

maddoggyusa · 01-12-2015, 11:29 AM

GM said they were thinking about TTV6 for a "cheaper" corvette but determined it didn't really save any mpg. I think you'll be seeing a 5.3L v8 "cheaper" vette in the future. stingray is supposed to be the high end corvette. not all future corvettes will be stingrays.

meanwhile you know the new M4 is a turbo 6 right? it's no slouch. I prefer V8 but turbo 6 can be done right. but never sounds like a v8

Bizaro · 01-12-2015, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddoggyusa

GM said they were thinking about TTV6 for a "cheaper" corvette but determined it didn't really save any mpg. I think you'll be seeing a 5.3L "cheaper" vette in the future.

meanwhile you know the new M4 is a turbo 6 right? it's no slouch. I prefer V8 but turbo 6 can be done right. but never sounds like a v8

yeah m4 v6 with the sound synthesizers inside the cabin

KaBoom1701 · 01-12-2015, 11:36 AM

I'm glad I bought my ZL1 when I did...

NJScorpio · 01-12-2015, 11:38 AM

Forgive me for not knowing but............

IIRC, a turbo has an abrupt power curve because you have to wait for the exhaust to be generated, then fed back to spool the turbo. Superchargers give you perhaps less power, but more linear power, at the cost of torque. I imagine a supercharger produces a more pleasing power curve and better low end response, without any lag associated with turbos.

My question is...how much displacement is needed to justify a supercharger setup over a turbo? Could there be a high displacement 6 (like a 4.8 liter) with a supercharger?

Evergreen6 · 01-12-2015, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJScorpio

Forgive me for not knowing but............

IIRC, a turbo has an abrupt power curve because you have to wait for the exhaust to be generated, then fed back to spool the turbo. Superchargers give you perhaps less power, but more linear power, at the cost of torque. I imagine a supercharger produces a more pleasing power curve and better low end response, without any lag associated with turbos.

My question is...how much displacement is needed to justify a supercharger setup over a turbo? Could there be a high displacement 6 (like a 4.8 liter) with a supercharger?

Audi has been using a 3.0L supercharged six which is rated at 333hp in the S4 and is supposedly grossly understated from the factory. The engine has been out for the better part of 5 years now.

I don't know about in other applications, but that 3.0T (The 'T' is misleading, it's not turbo'd) absolutely rips in the S4. Sounds great.

Also, "turbo lag" which you mentioned has been sharply reduced in modern applications. The smaller the turbo, the faster it can spool up and provide maximum torque at very low RPM-- which is why they're so great in diesels. Ford and BMW and others are now using twin turbos-- two small ones-- and the lag is almost non-existent.

MEDISIN · 01-12-2015, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Audi has been using a 3.0L supercharged six which is rated at 333hp in the S4 and is supposedly grossly understated from the factory. The engine has been out for the better part of 5 years now.

I don't know about in other applications, but that 3.0T (The 'T' is misleading, it's not turbo'd) absolutely rips in the S4. Sounds great.

Also, "turbo lag" which you mentioned has been sharply reduced in modern applications. The smaller the turbo, the faster it can spool up and provide maximum torque at very low RPM-- which is why they're so great in diesels. Ford and BMW and others are now using twin turbos-- two small ones-- and the lag is almost non-existent.

Jaguar/Land Rover also use a 340hp, 3.0L supercharged V6 as their "base engine" in place of the lovely 5.0L NA V8.

ssrs2lt · 01-12-2015, 11:53 AM

Sorry but ttv6 here to stay..

turboguy327 · 01-12-2015, 11:56 AM

I can make 6 PSI at idle with a VG turbo on my cummins. The PCM stock commands .5 PSI at idle.

NJScorpio · 01-12-2015, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Audi has been using a 3.0L supercharged six which is rated at 333hp in the S4 and is supposedly grossly understated from the factory. The engine has been out for the better part of 5 years now.

I don't know about in other applications, but that 3.0T (The 'T' is misleading, it's not turbo'd) absolutely rips in the S4. Sounds great.

Also, "turbo lag" which you mentioned has been sharply reduced in modern applications. The smaller the turbo, the faster it can spool up and provide maximum torque at very low RPM-- which is why they're so great in diesels. Ford and BMW and others are now using twin turbos-- two small ones-- and the lag is almost non-existent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Jaguar/Land Rover also use a 340hp, 3.0L supercharged V6 as their "base engine" in place of the lovely 5.0L NA V8.

Thanks!

JantzenOKC · 01-12-2015, 12:11 PM

Welcome to the future...

01-12-2015, 11:20 AM	#1
Bizaro Account Suspended Drives: 2015 Redhot 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 1,409	NO NO NO NO NO TTV6 Fail http://jalopnik.com/ford-gt-this-is-it-1678893649 TT v6? REALLY? LOL FORD I seriously hope people stop with this TTv6 BS!!! Camaro6 and Zora better not even think about it!

01-12-2015, 11:25 AM	#3
ZED SLED Drives: 2017 Mosaic Bk ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South of Raleigh, NC Posts: 9,477 View My Garage	Cadillac ATS-V TT V6 450hp. You know it's going to end up on other platforms. I don't have an issue with that. Like it or not, it's coming. __________________

01-12-2015, 11:36 AM	#7
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	I'm glad I bought my ZL1 when I did... __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

01-12-2015, 11:53 AM	#11
ssrs2lt Drives: too many Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: oh va pa ma tx Posts: 3,046	Sorry but ttv6 here to stay.. __________________

01-12-2015, 12:11 PM	#14
JantzenOKC Drives: '13 2LT/RS Twin Turbo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma Posts: 3,073	Welcome to the future... __________________ 3.6L Twin Turbo V6 Garrett GT28 turbos -- Jacfab forged connecting rods -- Diamond forged pistons(10.5:1) -- Alky Control Methonal Injection -- CircleD 2E triple disc torque converter -- BMR suspension 10.75 @ 131mph

01-12-2015, 11:22 AM	#2
LOBBS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 472 View My Garage	Unfortunately, it is the future. Big V8s will soon be regulated out of existence.

01-12-2015, 11:29 AM	#4
Bizaro Account Suspended Drives: 2015 Redhot 1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 1,409	Dont you think its a little too early for a ttv6 on a halo car? maybe in another 10 years but not now! Its as if stingray would of came out with a ttv6

01-12-2015, 11:29 AM	#5
maddoggyusa Drives: 2013 Camaro Dusk 2SS/6 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,586	GM said they were thinking about TTV6 for a "cheaper" corvette but determined it didn't really save any mpg. I think you'll be seeing a 5.3L v8 "cheaper" vette in the future. stingray is supposed to be the high end corvette. not all future corvettes will be stingrays. meanwhile you know the new M4 is a turbo 6 right? it's no slouch. I prefer V8 but turbo 6 can be done right. but never sounds like a v8

01-12-2015, 11:38 AM	#8
NJScorpio Drives: 2018 Camaro 1LT Hyper Blue Metallic Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,122	Forgive me for not knowing but............ IIRC, a turbo has an abrupt power curve because you have to wait for the exhaust to be generated, then fed back to spool the turbo. Superchargers give you perhaps less power, but more linear power, at the cost of torque. I imagine a supercharger produces a more pleasing power curve and better low end response, without any lag associated with turbos. My question is...how much displacement is needed to justify a supercharger setup over a turbo? Could there be a high displacement 6 (like a 4.8 liter) with a supercharger?

01-12-2015, 11:56 AM	#12
turboguy327 Banned Drives: 2011 Chevy Camaro Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: USA Posts: 704	I can make 6 PSI at idle with a VG turbo on my cummins. The PCM stock commands .5 PSI at idle.

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