[Vegas Bound]

Originally Posted by detamble13

Free education and healthcare are the basis for a first world country. You don't have decent healthcare and you want to skip school because the content is "controlled by the left wing"? You don't have kids do you?

Correction, ACCESS to healthcare and education are the basis for a first world country. Taking money from one person so another can have it is socialism/communism.

[Vegas Bound]

Originally Posted by Boost Creep

That explains many of the products they produced you see on display today in the NW.

EXACTLY. Useless POS product.

[detamble13]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

Nothing is "free". Here in PA I pay $3,200 this year in school taxes. My son hasn't been to school since March. Did check in for an hour a day in April/May.

Free was the wrong word to use. I feel tax money properly spent on the education system is a worthy investment. The current state of my kids education is a joke as well but I'm not looking for a refund. These are weird times and I'm hopeful Canada gets back to normal asap. However we are relying on our neighbours to the south to get their crap together and that doesn't look promising.

Originally Posted by Vegas Bound

Correction, ACCESS to healthcare and education are the basis for a first world country. Taking money from one person so another can have it is socialism/communism.

I'm not making the case for universal basic income here. Not a fan of welfare either. Providing education and healthcare (paid for through taxes) for your citizens is a good idea. Imagine that one annoying person at work was even less educated.
Not a fan of any part of communism then try not buying products from China.
The Hoover Dam (your ability to live in the desert) wasn't a privately funded venture. Is that socialism at work?
You don't have kids do you?

[Vegas Bound]

Originally Posted by detamble13

Free was the wrong word to use. I feel tax money properly spent on the education system is a worthy investment. The current state of my kids education is a joke as well but I'm not looking for a refund. These are weird times and I'm hopeful Canada gets back to normal asap. However we are relying on our neighbours to the south to get their crap together and that doesn't look promising.



I'm not making the case for universal basic income here. Not a fan of welfare either. Providing education and healthcare (paid for through taxes) for your citizens is a good idea. Imagine that one annoying person at work was even less educated.
Not a fan of any part of communism then try not buying products from China.
The Hoover Dam (your ability to live in the desert) wasn't a privately funded venture. Is that socialism at work?
You don't have kids do you?

Government programs that don't benefit all equally without further qualification do nothing but put additional taxes on those who produce and may or may not benefit from said program. Only those with school age kids benefit from public education. Employers have the choice to hire educated or uneducated employees. Employees have the choice to select employers who hire those qualified. It all boils down to personal responsibility not group funding.

[Boost Creep]

We have healthcare paid for through taxes here in the US, and they are a disaster.
The VA and medicare.

Your chances are about the same as if you went to a tribal witch doctor, only the chances of getting an appointment are better with the witch doctor.

[StingrayblueSS]

Originally Posted by Boost Creep

We have healthcare paid for through taxes here in the US, and they are a disaster.
The VA and medicare.

Your chances are about the same as if you went to a tribal witch doctor, only the chances of getting an appointment are better with the witch doctor.

People on Medicare like my parents, have access to the same doctors as everyone else. The VA is a disaster I know vets who say they would never use it even though its free for them. I also know those who are drug addicts because of the VA.

[detamble13]

Originally Posted by Vegas Bound

Only those with school age kids benefit from public education. Employers have the choice to hire educated or uneducated employees. Employees have the choice to select employers who hire those qualified. It all boils down to personal responsibility not group funding.

If you've managed to insulate yourself from people who wouldn't be considered "business professionals" then I commend you. Where I work there are positions from entry level to engineering. Public education gives people who's parents can't afford private school a chance in life. Even if it's a slim chance.

[Boost Creep]

Originally Posted by StingrayblueSS

People on Medicare like my parents, have access to the same doctors as everyone else. The VA is a disaster I know vets who say they would never use it even though its free for them. I also know those who are drug addicts because of the VA.

I stand corrected, I thought I use to hear horror stories about medicare, not at the level of the VA, but still not the best.

Originally Posted by detamble13

If you've managed to insulate yourself from people who wouldn't be considered "business professionals" then I commend you. Where I work there are positions from entry level to engineering. Public education gives people who's parents can't afford private school a chance in life. Even if it's a slim chance.

In theory public education is a good idea, but like all bureaucracies waste and poor performance are rampant.

In Philadelphia each student costs over $15,000/yr to educate and they fail standardized testing year after year.
Imagine the real education that could be had for that price in the private sector.

Many years ago the government told us to recycle to save the environment, now we have plastic islands of trash floating in the oceans.


If our healthcare were in the hands of government......

[h422694]

Originally Posted by Boost Creep

I stand corrected, I thought I use to hear horror stories about medicare, not at the level of the VA, but still not the best.
:

Since I retired I have the same exact doctors and use the same hospitals & facilities on Medicare that I had on private insurance. I also have 100% VA coverage but only use them for dental which is significantly better than the dentist I had in private practice.

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by h422694

Since I retired I have the same exact doctors and use the same hospitals & facilities on Medicare that I had on private insurance. I also have 100% VA coverage but only use them for dental which is significantly better than the dentist I had in private practice.

The problem with Medicare isn't that people can't get in to see their doctor, it's that the government only pays the doctor a fraction of what their service actually should cost.

So the doctors have to cram a crap-load more patients into their daily schedule to break even.

[fhrex]

I'm currently under covid quarantine, awaiting my wife's covid test results, so I'm out of work at least until her results come back. If she's positive, of course I'll have to get tested.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

A couple of things...

1.) Masks don't work.

It has been known for 100 years (since the 1918 pandemic) that masks are ineffective against the aerosolized spread of viruses... which is primarily how Covid is spread. If they worked we would wear them every flu season.

That is why Fauci initially dismissed masks out of hand, because it is common knowledge they do not work. Nothing has changed.

So why are we required to wear something that does not work?

Good question, but I think it is mainly because people like to think they have some sort of control over things.

Now if you want to wear a mask I say go for it... BUT, do not be under the illusion it is protecting either yourself or anyone else because it is not. So if you act as if neither you nor anyone else is wearing one, you are safe. Otherwise you are putting yourself at risk.

If you are in a high risk group, that is critical information!!!

2.) Viruses always mutate... to a more benign form.

All of those old viruses... 1918, swine, SARS, etc ... are still around, but in a generally harmless form.

This one seems to be mutating to a more contagious yet less deadly form. That is good news.

3.) Don't count on a vaccine.

That is bad news, but we probably won't need one anyway.

[mickss]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

A couple of things...

1.) Masks don't work.

It has been known for 100 years (since the 1918 pandemic) that masks are ineffective against the aerosolized spread of viruses... which is primarily how Covid is spread. If they worked we would wear them every flu season.

That is why Fauci initially dismissed masks out of hand, because it is common knowledge they do not work. Nothing has changed.

So why are we required to wear something that does not work?

Good question, but I think it is mainly because people like to think they have some sort of control over things.

Now if you want to wear a mask I say go for it... BUT, do not be under the illusion it is protecting either yourself or anyone else because it is not. So if you act as if neither you nor anyone else is wearing one, you are safe. Otherwise you are putting yourself at risk.

If you are in a high risk group, that is critical information!!!

2.) Viruses always mutate... to a more benign form.

All of those old viruses... 1918, swine, SARS, etc ... are still around, but in a generally harmless form.

This one seems to be mutating to a more contagious yet less deadly form. That is good news.

3.) Don't count on a vaccine.

That is bad news, but we probably won't need one anyway.

What is the source of your information regarding Covid-19?

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by mickss

What is the source of your information regarding Covid-19?

Definitely NOT CNN, MSNBC, MSN...It's mostly common sense. You know where a lot of information comes from that gets lost or buried? The CDC. Things like, in 2017, they put out a press release saying, globally, up to 646,000 die of the "seasonal flu" EACH YEAR. The seasonal flu is generally regarded to last 13 weeks or so. How long has this one been going on and we're just now at seasonal flu death numbers? (if they were really Covid deaths at all) Remember the lockdown in 2017? Me either.

Last month, the CDC also said that the death rate was so low, Covid was going to lose it's 'epidemic status.' Remember that news piece splashed across the headlines? Me either. The truth is out there, you just have to dig with a mind that can reason and weed through the bullshit.