[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by Xaxas

Science isn't politics

Agreed. But there is a difference between actually discussing it civilly and logically with data, etc and going, " It's unmitigated BS!!!" " Oh look climate change is real alright....." " This is the fault of the green energy!"

The former is fine and not political in anyway. Latter is politically influenced BS. When I made that post, it was the latter. The discussion has actually now turned to the former. Still massively off topic though!

[ZED SLED]

I have a 64 oz jug of Gold Class I've been working on for about 4-5 years, but even with it's early life being in upstate NY, it never froze in the garage. Anyway, it's getting to the bottom of the barrel, so ready to buy something else. What do you guys recommend that is $15 or under? Obviously don't need a half gallon. Hyperwash is $30 for a gallon and would take me 15 years to use, lol.

Jay Leno's Garage Foaming Car Wash?

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

I have a 64 oz jug of Gold Class I've been working on for about 4-5 years, but even with it's early life being in upstate NY, it never froze in the garage. Anyway, it's getting to the bottom of the barrel, so ready to buy something else. What do you guys recommend that is $15 or under? Obviously don't need a half gallon. Hyperwash is $30 for a gallon and would take me 15 years to use, lol.

Jay Leno's Garage Foaming Car Wash?

Buy what you like. If the Meguiar's has been doing well for you, no reason to go away from it.

[I`m Batman]

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

I have a 64 oz jug of Gold Class I've been working on for about 4-5 years, but even with it's early life being in upstate NY, it never froze in the garage. Anyway, it's getting to the bottom of the barrel, so ready to buy something else. What do you guys recommend that is $15 or under? Obviously don't need a half gallon. Hyperwash is $30 for a gallon and would take me 15 years to use, lol.

Jay Leno's Garage Foaming Car Wash?

I use this... https://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys...s%2C199&sr=8-6


paired with a foam cannon. https://www.amazon.com/MATCC-Adjusta...s%2C202&sr=8-8


+ pressure washer, of course.


No need to buy those expensive cannon. This one works just fine.


One thing to note, though... if you're doing this on a cold day (which I have done), the foam on the cold ground/driveway will freeze and get very icy. lol

[zaimer]

Originally Posted by I`m Batman

I use this... https://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys...s%2C199&sr=8-6


paired with a foam cannon. https://www.amazon.com/MATCC-Adjusta...s%2C202&sr=8-8


No need to buy those expensive cannon. This one works just fine.

Literally had/have the exact same setup. I had my foam cannon out a few weeks ago to rinse the salt off before we left for vacation. Long story short, I ended up dropping the foam cannon and broke the container off . I still have to order a replacement.

I believe the temperature was in the single digits... I was rinsing frozen foam off of the vehicles..lol

I typically use Meguiars Ultimate for in my bucket (wash mitt) and use the CG in my cannon. I find the Meguiars doesn't foam (or at least hold its foam) as well as the CG.

[I`m Batman]

Originally Posted by zaimer

Literally had/have the exact same setup. I had my foam cannon out a few weeks ago to rinse the salt off before we left for vacation. Long story short, I ended up dropping the foam cannon and broke the container off . I still have to order a replacement.

I believe the temperature was in the single digits... I was rinsing frozen foam off of the vehicles..lol

I typically use Meguiars Ultimate for in my bucket (wash mitt) and use the CG in my cannon. I find the Meguiars doesn't foam (or at least hold its foam) as well as the CG.

Good thing it's only $15 and not $70-80 like those "brand name" ones. lol

[zaimer]

Originally Posted by I`m Batman

Good thing it's only $15 and not $70-80 like those "brand name" ones. lol

Right! I would like to try one of the "better" ones just to see if there are any noticeable differences. If any, I can't imagine it to be enough to justify spending 4-5x the amount. I had that foam cannon for several years and it finally needs replacement... basically due to my negligence. One thing I would say is that I would like to have one with a wide mouthed container, as the standards are a bit annoying to fill.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

That is a very good point about people on this forum knowing everything about climate change. That’s why I am always surprised when somebody here without a PhD in climate science adamantly claims to know what’s going on. I for one will not claim to be an expert, but what I can do is read and research from credible sites and peer reviewed research. Lastly, let’s not forget that 97% of the scientific community are in agreement here.

No they’re not.

Last empirical survey I saw was closer to less than 10% of chemists & physicists that actually reviewed any data objectively regarding man influenced climate had large doubts as to its validity.

Why?

Because the whole argument revolves around a misrepresented enthalpic transmission of light through CO2. The fact is that enthalpy transmission through the atmosphere does not occur like a very few hand picked tests show.

Once you get past that hurdle of basic physics things begin to come into focus.

Over the course of ions, yes the earth gets hotter & colder. The primary reason is quite simply variations in output of that ginormous ball of thermonuclear energy 93 Million miles away.

In reality, data actually does show a cooling trend over the last 100+ yrs.

I’m going to go a step further and acknowledge known CO2 data & at best “extrapolations” of certain data that point to a relationship between the two. The main focus then should be to ask is “Why?”. Humans were not around past 80K years ago. So what was the naturally occurring mechanism? What was the causality, & ultimately the endeavoring, of that cycle if not us as a species?

This was stuff my high school chemistry teacher posed. Not just a high school teacher mind you, but he was prior a chemistry & physics professor at the university of Norte Dame. His exact words to me were, “Only man can be so arrogant as to promulgate the belief that our existence can remotely effect such things.”

Start with those points & work backwards & one might begin to get a clearer picture of what is actually going on.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

That is a very good point about people on this forum knowing everything about climate change. That’s why I am always surprised when somebody here without a PhD in climate science adamantly claims to know what’s going on. I for one will not claim to be an expert, but what I can do is read and research from credible sites and peer reviewed research. Lastly, let’s not forget that 97% of the scientific community are in agreement here.

They agree on climate change is happening, sure, but how much of it is caused by humans will vary depending on who you ask.

Originally Posted by Xaxas

Science isn't politics

But scientists can certainly be influenced by politics. Just look at the pandemic for good examples.

Remember that scientists don't really make money... They need someone to fund their research. You can figure out the rest.

[Chutzpah]

Not going to get into a debate... here’s some pretty good info on climate change and global warming, as well as other data.


https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/12/what...lobal-warming/

[UnknownJinX]

My boss used to tell me something.

There are three sides to a story:

Your side

My side

The truth

As an average Joe, you won't know the truth. It just comes down to whatever fits better with your bias.

Live your life and be happy and thankful for everything you have.

[Chevelle vs Camaro]

Originally Posted by ember1205

Buy what you like. If the Meguiar's has been doing well for you, no reason to go away from it.

Optimum car wash is nice. Suds well but suds not a sign of lubricity. This soap is both high lubricity and good suds. Great for a 2 bucket wash.

For a cheap but good snow foam, chemical guys honeydew....


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[Chevelle vs Camaro]

Originally Posted by I`m Batman

I use this... https://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys...s%2C199&sr=8-6


paired with a foam cannon. https://www.amazon.com/MATCC-Adjusta...s%2C202&sr=8-8


+ pressure washer, of course.


No need to buy those expensive cannon. This one works just fine.


One thing to note, though... if you're doing this on a cold day (which I have done), the foam on the cold ground/driveway will freeze and get very icy. lol

Theirs a big difference from an MtM Hydro pf22 and the Amazon specials. I’ve tried 3 from Amazon and wouldn’t cut it with my electric PW.

If your PW has over 1.8 GPM’s absolutely save your money and buy a cheaper one from the A. This one was $30 but it works well with good GPM and i like that not only the cannon is brass but also the top of the bottle (threads). Doesn’t strip and that is the point where cheap cannons fail. Currently out of stock on the A but you can buy elsewhere


If you have less GPM’s and want that shaving cream foam save time and money and just buy the MTM one.

Note: most home-depot/Lowe’s electric ones are around 1.2-1.4 GPM’s. I have a Ryobi at 2100psi and 1.2 GSM’s and tried a few before i figured it out.


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[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by ember1205

At the time, yes. As science itself has evolved, so has that of the 'community.' These are also largely the same collection of people that perpetuated that the sun revolved around the Earth and that the Earth was the center of the universe.

Science taught us that bloodletting cured disease, until we learned that it not only didn't but likely led to infections.

We always know what we know because of science, until something happens that shows us otherwise. Right now, we "know" about climate change and our impact on it because of science. At some point, there could be a discovery of something accepted as significantly more concrete that changes that belief.

I’ll answer my own question: That was a long time ago.