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Old 12-28-2020, 06:10 AM   #85
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Not really sure how you figure that when all of the data points to the 10 speed more than half a second quicker than the 6 speed around any decent length track.

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...amaro-zl1.html

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/
I'm just amazed by both cars, honestly. Camaro and mustang battling this whole time has resulted in them putting down supercar laptimes. Love it.
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Old 12-28-2020, 06:19 AM   #86
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Not really sure how you figure that when all of the data points to the 10 speed more than half a second quicker than the 6 speed around any decent length track.

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...amaro-zl1.html

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/
Without a head to head, you're still speculating and a lot will depend on the track. Any track that has more straights will favor the GT500. I trust Randy's professional opinion since he has more experience and skill than any of us here but again, it will depend heavily on the track. A smaller tighter track will make the race closer since the GT500 can't stretch its legs as much.

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Old 12-28-2020, 06:19 AM   #87
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I'm just amazed by both cars, honestly. Camaro and mustang battling this whole time has resulted in them putting down supercar laptimes. Love it.
Agreed, competition is always good for the consumer.
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Old 12-28-2020, 06:51 AM   #88
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Without a head to head, you're still speculating and a lot will depend on the track. Any track that has more straights will favor the GT500. I trust Randy's professional opinion since he has more experience and skill than any of us here but again, it will depend heavily on the track. A smaller tighter track will make the race closer since the GT500 can't stretch its legs as much.
Wouldn't be worth it to Ford, but I would love to see a Nurburgring run of the GT500 CFTP. Mainly curious about the straight away speeds we'd see.
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Old 12-28-2020, 08:56 AM   #89
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Not really sure how you figure that when all of the data points to the 10 speed more than half a second quicker than the 6 speed around any decent length track.

https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us...amaro-zl1.html

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/
I believe it was VIR, not sure what circuit, zle a10 was .7 quicker than the m6. Different day so who knows what the real difference is, but for a real apples to apples comparison it should be the a10 zle vs gt500 considering both automatic.
Gt500 is a really nice car at msrp, not so sure about the cftp for another 20k
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In the end gm bailed on us and never dropped the lt5 and were comparing a 3-4 year old Z on a 5 year chassis without the big mid cycle refresh

They’re too busy chasing electrons.
It is what it is
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Old 12-28-2020, 12:03 PM   #91
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In the end gm bailed on us and never dropped the lt5 and were comparing a 3-4 year old Z on a 5 year chassis without the big mid cycle refresh

They’re too busy chasing electrons.
It is what it is
In the last 15-20 years, when did GM Performance do a mid-cycle refresh with a different motor and significant power increase like the LT5 would provide?

They didn't do this with the C5 ZL1, or the C5, C6 or C7 Z06--unless you consider the ZR1 a Z06 refresh at +$40k-50k. I don't see the history or pattern so I didn't expect it.

My ZLE already frustrates the C7 ZR1 guys on the track, an LT5 ZL1 would have them complaining to Chevy.

I fully realize I could put down faster laps in a ZR1, but here's a recent example of how close a ZL1 1LE is to ZR1s and Z06s--Corvette #2 (ZR1) was a good driver on fresh R7, I was on Pirelli DH scrubs.

From Auto Club Speedway 12/5/20:
Camaro (Me) 1:47 Camaro ZL1 1LE 2018
Corvette #1 1:48 Corvette C7 Z06 2017
Corvette #2 1:48 Corvette ZR1 2019
Corvette #3 1:49 Corvette ZR1 2019

I'm not a great driver, with more seat time I think I could shave 2+ seconds.
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Old 12-28-2020, 12:12 PM   #92
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Wouldn't be worth it to Ford, but I would love to see a Nurburgring run of the GT500 CFTP. Mainly curious about the straight away speeds we'd see.
I read that Ford stated they won’t bother with a ‘ring run, because “Ringers” & no compliance enforcement, etc, etc.

The GT500 was seriously on my radar. 700+ HP, good looks, yes please. Prices were insane at the time.
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Old 12-28-2020, 03:17 PM   #93
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In the last 15-20 years, when did GM Performance do a mid-cycle refresh with a different motor and significant power increase like the LT5 would provide?

They didn't do this with the C5 ZL1, or the C5, C6 or C7 Z06--unless you consider the ZR1 a Z06 refresh at +$40k-50k. I don't see the history or pattern so I didn't expect it.

My ZLE already frustrates the C7 ZR1 guys on the track, an LT5 ZL1 would have them complaining to Chevy.

I fully realize I could put down faster laps in a ZR1, but here's a recent example of how close a ZL1 1LE is to ZR1s and Z06s--Corvette #2 (ZR1) was a good driver on fresh R7, I was on Pirelli DH scrubs.

From Auto Club Speedway 12/5/20:
Camaro (Me) 1:47 Camaro ZL1 1LE 2018
Corvette #1 1:48 Corvette C7 Z06 2017
Corvette #2 1:48 Corvette ZR1 2019
Corvette #3 1:49 Corvette ZR1 2019

I'm not a great driver, with more seat time I think I could shave 2+ seconds.
They did it with ca5 by releasing the z28, then with c6 and c7 I guess I would consider adding the zr1 mid/end cycle, I really don’t care if they kept the lt4-zl1 unchanged and refreshed by adding a z28 nameplate. It’s just a name plate. This chassis seems to be able to absorb the lt5 without any other mods to make it more comparable to the gt500
Gotta hang it all out there, this is the last camaro right?
You sound like you’d be complaining if they put the car out with a lt5
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Old 12-28-2020, 04:20 PM   #94
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They did it with ca5 by releasing the z28, then with c6 and c7 I guess I would consider adding the zr1 mid/end cycle, I really don’t care if they kept the lt4-zl1 unchanged and refreshed by adding a z28 nameplate. It’s just a name plate. This chassis seems to be able to absorb the lt5 without any other mods to make it more comparable to the gt500
Gotta hang it all out there, this is the last camaro right?
You sound like you’d be complaining if they put the car out with a lt5
No, like I said... I don't see the history or pattern so I didn't expect it.
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Old 12-28-2020, 04:34 PM   #95
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Without a head to head, you're still speculating and a lot will depend on the track. Any track that has more straights will favor the GT500. I trust Randy's professional opinion since he has more experience and skill than any of us here but again, it will depend heavily on the track. A smaller tighter track will make the race closer since the GT500 can't stretch its legs as much.
This track test was done at Willow Springs on Big Willow track. Big Willow has the highest average speed of any track in the west. Faster average speed than Auto Club Speedway Roval. All turns at Big Willow are relatively fast. So while it's not a long track at 2.5 miles, it's also one of the least tight tracks in the US, that's why very fast laps are only ~1:30

2 sections where you can hit 140-150 depending on car, with turn 8 for Randy being 125-140 MPH and other 100 mph turns.

Straights vs. technical doesn't explain these results, this is the most perfect track for the GT500 short of an Oval. Older tires were a factor, and you don't want to risk going off in turn 8 or 9, a bad crash there can be fatal.
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I hear ya. I’d just like to see what it can do with the big blower is all
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Old 12-28-2020, 08:53 PM   #97
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In the last 15-20 years, when did GM Performance do a mid-cycle refresh with a different motor and significant power increase like the LT5 would provide?

They didn't do this with the C5 ZL1, or the C5, C6 or C7 Z06--unless you consider the ZR1 a Z06 refresh at +$40k-50k. I don't see the history or pattern so I didn't expect it.

My ZLE already frustrates the C7 ZR1 guys on the track, an LT5 ZL1 would have them complaining to Chevy.

I fully realize I could put down faster laps in a ZR1, but here's a recent example of how close a ZL1 1LE is to ZR1s and Z06s--Corvette #2 (ZR1) was a good driver on fresh R7, I was on Pirelli DH scrubs.

From Auto Club Speedway 12/5/20:
Camaro (Me) 1:47 Camaro ZL1 1LE 2018
Corvette #1 1:48 Corvette C7 Z06 2017
Corvette #2 1:48 Corvette ZR1 2019
Corvette #3 1:49 Corvette ZR1 2019

I'm not a great driver, with more seat time I think I could shave 2+ seconds.
Well done!
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Old 12-28-2020, 08:54 PM   #98
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I read that Ford stated they won’t bother with a ‘ring run, because “Ringers” & no compliance enforcement, etc, etc.

The GT500 was seriously on my radar. 700+ HP, good looks, yes please. Prices were insane at the time.
Can't go wrong with either car
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