[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I have not seen any non-WB Hellcat go faster than an 11.7 in the quarter mile. So where are you getting this info?

Listen wishing for these reviews to go away won't make it happen. The time is 11:03 for the HC and 10:90s for the Widebody. Until somebody can show me a review of the ZL1 bettering these times it is slower.


11:03


10:90
http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...llcat-widebody

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Listen wishing for these reviews to go away won't make it happen. The time is 11:03 for the HC and 10:90s for the Widebody. Until somebody can show me a review of the ZL1 bettering these times it is slower.


11:03


10:90
http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...llcat-widebody

Seems like cars.com always has the quickest times, have they done a ZL1?

[RobbyBeefcake87]

The new gt a10 might be faster than the a10/a8 ss, both are capable of 12.0/11.9 so it seems negligible and probably even. However the manual ss is clearly faster than the manual gt. People really like to ignore this. Not to mention the gt can only be a performance equivalent to the ss when talking about the proper options and straight line performance only.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

SS 1LE is a second behind the PP2 and 4 seconds behind the R. It would be 2-3 seconds behind a reg 350 , thats a lifetime on a road course i've been told.

Anyone who claims already lost the argument. Different days different drivers (magazine writer drivers), the 1le has beaten the pp2 and if you actually read the articles you'll see it can keep doing it lap after lap on inferior tires and drivers clearly prefer its track behavior... lol

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

My question is this...why is Ford constantly backing down? They have no problem posting when the Mustang does a good quarter mile time. Yet they have these weird statements when it comes to the track. Meanwhile Chevy puts their cars out there to be tested.

Well this is the first time I can recall Ford ever touting a 1/4 mile time for a Mustang. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but this is the first time I remember it. In the last 10 years I can only remember Ford ever touting performance numbers 3 times.

The 13GT500 Could hit 200MPH, the A10GT could do sub 4.0 0-60 and now the 0-60 and 1/4 for the upcoming GT500.

Other than that, Ford has pretty much always left it to third part reviewers to gather performance numbers. That is just the way they do it. I don't recall any performance numbers for when the S197 debuted, when the 07GT500 debuted, when the coyote debuted, when the BOSS and BOSS L/S came out, when the GT350 and 350R came out. Some one please correct me if I am wrong, but Ford typically has never really said this car will do this in x amount of time.

Originally Posted by hotlap

Read the article and got it! The GT500 is based on the GT350 and then powered/optioned up...

GT500 Carbon Fiber Track Pack:
- 20-inch exposed carbon fiber wheels
- Adjustable strut top mounts
- Exposed carbon fiber instrument panel
- Exposed carbon fiber GT4 track wing
- Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires - 305/30R20 front, 315/30R20 rear
- Rear seat delete

With in excess of 100 HP (est) over the ZL1 1LE, the GT500 Track Package will slaughter the ZLE according to reasoning used with the GT350R vs ZL1 head to head.

LOL Internet logic. To me it seems clear that package is aimed at the ZLE, will it beat it I have no clue. the ZLE is an amazing piece of machinery and taking it on at a reasonable cost is a tall order.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Right. So they invest all this money and 6 years of time building the car but they don't care about track times?? But it's funny how they spout how fast it is in the quarter mile. To me that means they know it isn't gonna beat the ZLE and are already looking for an excuse for the brutal beating it will most certainly receive.

See above, I can't recall except this car when Ford has boasted about 1/4 times.

Originally Posted by hotlap

Ford had the Redeye, ZL1 and ZLE to benchmark. They delayed the GT500 for years to make sure they got it right. I expect it will dominate and will be surprised if it doesn’t. How could they possibly miss?

Agreed. Ford had a lot of time with this car. Numerous delays probably due to a bunch of things, but I suspect better competition than they expected was main culprit and shame on them for not looking ahead.

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

what source are supposed to use? your fantasies?

the Z28 killed the 1LE at the LL and the 350R killed the Z28 at the Ring so how do you come up with the 1LE being remotely close to the 350R. Its laughable.

Pretty sure the 350R ring time wasn't official/legit so I would just leave that one out of the discussion

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Seems like cars.com always has the quickest times, have they done a ZL1?

I went to Cars.com to see if they did test a ZL1 quarter mile. Didn’t find any, but I did find a couple cool videos. One is of a GM test driver taking a journalist on a track lap in the ZL1. The test driver is Dan Ammann. At the time he was GM president. He and Mark Reuss (current GM President) are both rated track drivers.

https://www.cars.com/videos/do-a-hot...4802286079001/

The other video is a drag strip comparison of the more pedestrian Mustang GT, Challenger Scat Pack, and SS, all with M6.

https://www.cars.com/videos/v-8-musc...4781705710001/

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Seems like cars.com always has the quickest times, have they done a ZL1?

Not that I am aware of, but in their videos of the Hellcat and Mustang where they have acheived the fastest times, have been at Great Lakes Dragway, in Union Grove WI. that track can produce fast times depending on time of year and amount of prep.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Pretty sure the 350R ring time wasn't official/legit so I would just leave that one out of the discussion

There are no "official" Ring times, Manufacturers cheat constantly and there are a million variables that can affect the lap times. Ford has stated for those reasons they wont post lap times.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

There are no "official" Ring times, Manufacturers cheat constantly and there are a million variables that can affect the lap times. Ford has stated for those reasons they wont post lap times.

Right, but I also believe there is no video of said GT350R lap time

[JaxChris]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

The new gt a10 might be faster than the a10/a8 ss, both are capable of 12.0/11.9 so it seems negligible and probably even. However the manual ss is clearly faster than the manual gt. People really like to ignore this. Not to mention the gt can only be a performance equivalent to the ss when talking about the proper options and straight line performance only.

Mustang GT w/ 10R80 only beats Camaro SS when the optional rear gear is installed. Sticker on every 10R80 tester Ford sent out for reviews has had the GT Performance Pack 1 or separate Torsen 3.55 Rear Axle option installed. The GT looks good against the SS when you play with the gearing and sacrifice MPG. The SS only has a 2.77 rear end. Give the SS a 3.08 rear and the Mustang loses again. Give the SS a 3.27 rear and you better get more meat on your tires.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

There are no "official" Ring times, Manufacturers cheat constantly and there are a million variables that can affect the lap times. Ford has stated for those reasons they wont post lap times.

Sounds like something a person would say if they knew they were gonna lose.

They duck ring times, they won't allow their cars to be tested against certain other cars, they make statements about how they aren't adding coolers because it isn't a track car, and now they make statements about not being interested in track times. To be honest, considering how badly the GT350R got smoked, I don't blame them.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Sounds like something a person would say if they knew they were gonna lose.

They duck ring times, they won't allow their cars to be tested against certain other cars, they make statements about how they aren't adding coolers because it isn't a track car, and now they make statements about not being interested in track times. To be honest, considering how badly the GT350R got smoked, I don't blame them.

While I would normally agree it sounds like something somebody would say if they knew they were going to lose but it's something they have never done.

Ford to my knowledge has never posted lap times for their cars, even the GT.

This is the first time I ever remember them even saying anything about 1/4 mile times. They normally just leave it to the press to do it.

Also not sticking up for FastCarFanboy but wasn't it Nissan a few years ago that go caught sending a hot car to the Ring to run a better lap time than the production car

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

While I would normally agree it sounds like something somebody would say if they knew they were going to lose but it's something they have never done.

Ford to my knowledge has never posted lap times for their cars, even the GT.

This is the first time I ever remember them even saying anything about 1/4 mile times. They normally just leave it to the press to do it.

Also not sticking up for FastCarFanboy but wasn't it Nissan a few years ago that go caught sending a hot car to the Ring to run a better lap time than the production car

I believe it was a GTR and it destroyed the ring. It was built...but in it's defense, it was raining that day and they still put up a phenomenal time. I think they put up the 4th best time...in the rain. I think...

Back to Ford. Even if they never did any of this with times or whatever they also didn't come out way ahead of time talking about how the car isn't built for this or that. It's their statements that has me thinking they're trying to duck. If it was just business as usual then they wouldn't need to come out with all these statements.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Back to Ford. Even if they never did any of this with times or whatever they also didn't come out way ahead of time talking about how the car isn't built for this or that. It's their statements that has me thinking they're trying to duck. If it was just business as usual then they wouldn't need to come out with all these statements.

I guess we are just gonna have to wait in see. I think everyone will be surprised to see the 500 beat the ZLE because its that good at what it does, but if it runs a 10sec 1/4 and beats the regular ZL1 on a road course that will be plenty good and you should be thankful it took Ford this long to release it.