[HouseStark]

Camaro sales are terrible because they just don't care and it's very frustrating. On any given day you can walk into a Dodge showroom and get minimum 5k off a Challenger Scat Pack just for having a pulse. Look a their power dollars which didn't even include dealer cash/rebates on top of it. Chevy just doesn't care, they'd rather you go out and buy a Mustang to get an extra 1k on top of the already pathetic 1k incentive.

I got my 2017 Challenger Scat Pack 6 MT with 3k in options for 31k out the door no money out of pocket. 2018 Challenger Scat Pack 6 MT with 6k in options out the door 37k no money out of pocket. My 2018 SS 1LE no other options was 40k and I paid the tax. That's not trying on Chevy behalf. I'm looking to get back into a 1LE and the only incentive is 1k off?

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by HouseStark

Camaro sales are terrible because they just don't care and it's very frustrating. On any given day you can walk into a Dodge showroom and get minimum 5k off a Challenger Scat Pack just for having a pulse. Look a their power dollars which didn't even include dealer cash/rebates on top of it. Chevy just doesn't care, they'd rather you go out and buy a Mustang to get an extra 1k on top of the already pathetic 1k incentive.

I got my 2017 Challenger Scat Pack 6 MT with 3k in options for 31k out the door no money out of pocket. 2018 Challenger Scat Pack 6 MT with 6k in options out the door 37k no money out of pocket. My 2018 SS 1LE no other options was 40k and I paid the tax. That's not trying on Chevy behalf. I'm looking to get back into a 1LE and the only incentive is 1k off?

If the incentives are that high, at some point there just isn't a business case. Sure, they could lower the price by $10k and probably sell a ton, but at the end of the day it needs to be profitable to GM to be sustainable.

I bought my 2017 SS manual new for around $32,500 before TTL ($35k out the door including TTL). That's 17-18% off MSRP which was $39,390. No trade-in or anything like that - only incentives from GM and negotiation w/ the dealer. I seriously doubt GM or the dealer made a whole lot on my deal.

[NeverDie]

Originally Posted by HouseStark

Camaro sales are terrible because they just don't care and it's very frustrating. On any given day you can walk into a Dodge showroom and get minimum 5k off a Challenger Scat Pack just for having a pulse. Look a their power dollars which didn't even include dealer cash/rebates on top of it. Chevy just doesn't care, they'd rather you go out and buy a Mustang to get an extra 1k on top of the already pathetic 1k incentive.

I got my 2017 Challenger Scat Pack 6 MT with 3k in options for 31k out the door no money out of pocket. 2018 Challenger Scat Pack 6 MT with 6k in options out the door 37k no money out of pocket. My 2018 SS 1LE no other options was 40k and I paid the tax. That's not trying on Chevy behalf. I'm looking to get back into a 1LE and the only incentive is 1k off?

So....

Let's look at something here.

The Challenger/Charger are based off of an adapted Mercedes-Benz E-class chassis from the 90's. The tooling and R&D are fully depreciated. The vehicles carry a MUCH higher margin as a result, meaning there is more room to move off of the MSRP.


The Camaro is on the Alpha platform, which is shared with.... other more expensive cars such as Cadillacs which sell in low volumes. Tooling and R&D are not fully depreciated as a result of this, margins are much slimmer as the manufacturer has to recoup thier costs.

So that's a part of it. Also the LT series of engines are much newer than the HEMIs which don't have DI, and the GM/Ford 10AT is another example of R&D costs that Dodge didn't have to pay when they buy the trans from ZF.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by HouseStark

Camaro sales are terrible because they just don't care and it's very frustrating. On any given day you can walk into a Dodge showroom and get minimum 5k off a Challenger Scat Pack just for having a pulse. Look a their power dollars which didn't even include dealer cash/rebates on top of it. Chevy just doesn't care, they'd rather you go out and buy a Mustang to get an extra 1k on top of the already pathetic 1k incentive.

I got my 2017 Challenger Scat Pack 6 MT with 3k in options for 31k out the door no money out of pocket. 2018 Challenger Scat Pack 6 MT with 6k in options out the door 37k no money out of pocket. My 2018 SS 1LE no other options was 40k and I paid the tax. That's not trying on Chevy behalf. I'm looking to get back into a 1LE and the only incentive is 1k off?

So with the Camaro, you got a faster, better handling, better built car for more money. Got it!

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

So with the Camaro, you got a faster, better handling, better built car for more money. Got it!

Yes, and that is not something I for one have a problem with.

What I do, and a big one at that, is GM's SUVs with behind the curve technology, subpar interiors and underwhelming performance. The only exception to that is the 2021 Escalade, and that is a truck with a 6-digit price tag, clearly out of my ballpark to even consider.

When that time comes, I may well, for the first time, get a non-GM vehicle to replace the family SUV, because that is where I do sense either a lack of trying or a lack of ability. GM's electric "lineup" is currently also a joke.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Yes, and that is not something I for one have a problem with.

What I do, and a big one at that, is GM's SUVs with behind the curve technology, subpar interiors and underwhelming performance. The only exception to that is the 2021 Escalade, and that is a truck with a 6-digit price tag, clearly out of my ballpark to even consider.

When that time comes, I may well, for the first time, get a non-GM vehicle to replace the family SUV, because that is where I do sense either a lack of trying or a lack of ability. GM's electric "lineup" is currently also a joke.

Yep, due to GM shenanigan's i switch away from their SUV and Truck market years ago.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Yes, and that is not something I for one have a problem with.

What I do, and a big one at that, is GM's SUVs with behind the curve technology, subpar interiors and underwhelming performance. The only exception to that is the 2021 Escalade, and that is a truck with a 6-digit price tag, clearly out of my ballpark to even consider.

When that time comes, I may well, for the first time, get a non-GM vehicle to replace the family SUV, because that is where I do sense either a lack of trying or a lack of ability. GM's electric "lineup" is currently also a joke.

You think there is a lack of trying with the new Tahoes and Yukons? lol, ok

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

You think there is a lack of trying with the new Tahoes and Yukons? lol, ok

A buddy spent north of 70k for his Tahoe, so i sure hope not. Lots of features and very capable especially with the IRS.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

You think there is a lack of trying with the new Tahoes and Yukons? lol, ok

You tell me if this interior merits "trying" on a $60K 2021 model year truck/SUV. A base level, 2010 style gauge cluster screen.

$66K when optioning in the enhanced one (with a mandatory package) that appears to match a 2016 Camaro, which isn't exactly state of the art either.

Again, I only ever had GM vehicles, so I'm definitely no hater, but paying this much and then seeing this interior every day just wouldn't make me feel like I got a good deal.