01-29-2018, 02:08 PM | #57 |
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Hmm.... If I was a gambling man I would put money on it. There is a Mercedes Benz out there now that is about 100 hp down on the ZL1 1LE that is faster on many tracks. The current trend for Z/28 is to be the Camaro King of the track.... that means it should beat the ZL1 1LE... we keep moving forward and that means faster. I'm betting a Z/28 will lap the ring faster than the ZL1 1LE or it will never see production. I could be wrong but the current Camaro team seems to be trying to build cars that really make a statement. That is the only logical statement a new Z/28 could make. Faster track Camaro.
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It's also 2x the cost of a ZL1 1LE (the current GT R is 157k base price), which was exactly what I said in my previous post. You will not find a car, at the top of the list, that is going to be bought for under $80k that will do what the ZL1 1LE is doing. The ACR Viper was a car that went for anywhere from $110-125k, depending on when you bought it. You are right about one thing: it will never see production. The Z/28 is an icon, and if it does get produced, it will be a car that sits above the SS but below the ZL1. That's the only way it gets built. It will be a GT 350R type vehicle. They aren't going to produce a limited run car that will push costs similar to the Z06 or even come close to the ZR1. They would rather push people to buy those specific cars instead. That said, I still believe we could see a true upgrade package, ala Z/28, offered for the ZL1... but I just don't see a true Z/28 car coming out that beats what the 1LE did.
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Could we see a Camaro faster than the ZLE. Yes, if its powered by the LT5 or the TT LT7. I personally just do not see a naturally aspirated Camaro out doing the ZLE. And the powers that be made sure that Z/28's must be naturally aspirated. Again I look to Corvette. The Z06/Z07 couldn't beat with the Viper ACR, so what did Corvette do, they went gobs of extra power and aero. they didn't go lightweight less power. That is the route the vette had to go to get faster, that is the route I see the Camaro needing to go faster than the ZLE. |
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A lot of good comments here on this thread but, one thing keeps popping up in my head.
For a track car does it need all the amenities like that on the ZL1/1LE. If the current 1LE was stripped down like my 15' Z/28, I wonder how much weight would be shaved off. I just can't see a track car needing all those creature comforts. Which begs another question. Maybe GM sees this also and using the 14'-15' model as an example will make a TRUE Z/28 track car without all the extras that aren't needed. That would make the car come in at less money than the 1LE and being lighter, faster around the track. Do you really listen to the stereo while racing? Is your AC on pulling engine power while racing? All that weight comes at a cost in lap time. Some it up....the current ZL1/1LE is for people who want comfort while racing, but at what cost?
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All very good points, but remember most of the time a "stripped out" version comes out it's not cheaper. A lot of the time "less is more" when it comes to price, not saying that Chevy will go this route but it's pretty likely. At the end of the day if a new Z/28 is truly FASTER than the ZL1 1LE I highly doubt it will be cheaper, even though you are absolutely right that the ZL1 1LE is for those track rats that want the amenities too, the bragging rights of being the fastest Camaro will come along with a big price tag, it doesn't have to be $10-15k more than a ZL1 1LE but it will absolutely be equal or more expensive if it's faster.
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What he said ^ stripping things out of the car actually makes them more expensive to produce.
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However, using the Corvette line up, among the most successful cars in that line up has been the Grand Sport in both the C6 and the C7. All of the Z06 goodies except for the engine and in the case of C6 offered the automatic transmission. Priced right in the middle of the Z06 and the base coupe, it sells very well. This generation of Camaro seems to offer a model in relation with it's Corvette sibling Camaro...........Corvette SS..................Base Coupe 1LE.................Z51 -- ..................Grand Sport ZL1.................Z06 ZL1-1LE..........Z06 w/ Z07 pkg -- ..................ZR1 If they make a Z/28, it's going to fill one of those two empty spaces. It will either be a N/A engine (LT1, LT6) in the ZL1-1LE configuration, or it will be a ZL1-1LE powered by the LT5. If they put the LT5 in the Z1LE, I could see them doing a track focused stripper model and only make a handful of them, because they have learned that that's all they'll sell. Last edited by MrChrisLS3; 01-31-2018 at 02:43 AM. |
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I'd also say the 1LE is more akin to the Grand sport. The 1LE is everything the ZL1 is minus the LT4. The Grand Sport is everything the Z06 is less the LT4. |
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Based on the description of everything that they changed on the T5 (from the LT4) it's probably a VERY expensive unit. In crate form the LT4 is only a few thousand $ more than an LT1, I would expect the LT5 to be much more, potentially close to the cost of an LS9 which is like $26k if I recall correctly, compared to apx. $14k for an LT4, the LT5 could be in the $20-25k range so if they offer the LT5 in the ZL1 expect it to come with at least $5-10k option price, especially since it will certainly need different/bigger inter-coolers than the LT4. I hope Chevy does offer it as an option for the ZL1 for 2019, and I think it could happen now that Ford has confirmed that the GT500 will be over 700HP.
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Look, I get it, you want a lighter car....but I don't think you really get it either....there isn't much extra weight to ditch. The Viper ACR that went 7:01 weighs 3374. That's almost 500lbs lighter than the ZL1 1LE. Even if you ditch the interior seats for lighter ones, pull the compressor, and perhaps go with lighter wheels, you're still not getting 500lbs of weight out of that car. The Mercedes AMG GT-R, weighs in at roughly 3650, which isn't that much lighter than the ZL1-1LE. It went only 6 seconds faster than the ZLE too. Short of throwing some serious weight reduction at places like the hood, trunk, quarter panels with CF, I just don't see any major places to reduce that much unsprung weight. Additionally, I do think the ZLE can still go faster around the track. It's actually not about the power. There is plenty of power in the car. I almost want to say that the aero may be just a tad too much..
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What if we're all wrong? What if they went back to true roots?
The name Z/28 will be forever linked with the Chevrolet Camaro. In reality, it was a simple three digit, alphanumeric GM sales code for a "Special Performance Package" that was introduced in December 1966. GM wanted to challenge the Mustang on all fronts, SCCA included. They created a stroker and a new engine platform. What if they did that again? 6.2 with a 7.0 crank, boosted with ZR1 components? ZR1 engine complete? What if they took a 7.0L LS7 and de-stroked it, an N/A engine with 8000rpm limit... Lightened up the Gen 6 more? New Gen DSSV shocks? (Like Colorado based ones or even totally brand new) Carbon Ceramic rotors. What about putting in the best GM has to offer to kill all these specialty cars, Hell Cat, Demon, GT-350, GT-500. How many would jump on the GM band wagon then? Sales, making money, its the bottom line. What about the software? Mode selection Z/28!! and all hell is unleased. Oh we of little mind...Dream and dream big, for there is so many ways this can go down...
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