SS 1LE vs. Mach 1 - Page 8

Dave777 · 05-25-2021, 07:00 PM

Any idea what is the G handeling of a PP1 Mustang compared to 1LE ?

STReddy1999 · 05-25-2021, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave777

Any idea what is the G handeling of a PP1 Mustang compared to 1LE ?

MotorTrend testing says the SS 1LE got 1.12 average lateral G's and the PP1 got 1.00 G's. (https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...ck-comparison/)

MBSS1LE · 05-26-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave777

Any idea what is the G handeling of a PP1 Mustang compared to 1LE ?

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Originally Posted by STReddy1999

MotorTrend testing says the SS 1LE got 1.12 average lateral G's and the PP1 got 1.00 G's. (https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...ck-comparison/)

I'm not sure what that has to do with the topic, Mach 1 vs SS 1LE. The better question would be, "what is the lateral-G number for the Mach 1 vs the SS1LE?" I can find no instrumented test data for the Mach 1, so this is still an unresolved question. Based on my actual seat time in a Mach1 with the handling package, I'm going to guess it is very similar to an SS with the 1LE package.

ST1LE · 05-26-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MBSS1LE

I'm not sure what that has to do with the topic, Mach 1 vs SS 1LE. The better question would be, "what is the lateral-G number for the Mach 1 vs the SS1LE?" I can find no instrumented test data for the Mach 1, so this is still an unresolved question. Based on my actual seat time in a Mach1 with the handling package, I'm going to guess it is very similar to an SS with the 1LE package.

LOL, you had your little two page back and forth, can't the guy ask a question? Jees

BlaqWhole · 05-27-2021, 10:57 AM

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LOL, you had your little two page back and forth, can't the guy ask a question? Jees

What does your statement have to do with the topic ST1LE?

ST1LE · 05-27-2021, 02:43 PM

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What does your statement have to do with the topic ST1LE?

HAHAHAHAHA....got me.

5.M0NSTER · 06-23-2021, 07:06 AM

I faced this choice recently. Decided to go the SS 1LE way. I had a BMW M2 before this, and a '14 GT "Track Pack" before that. I remember how much work I had to put into the Track Pack to make it track worthy. Springs, dampers, sways, the MT-82 was always a let down, wheels, tires, exhaust ... I did enjoy the Coyote and happy it was to rev quickly. With the short gearing in the Mustang, in 2nd you go from 4k rpm to 7k in like 2-3s. Thrilling powerplant.

I liked the Brembos, but in the end I didn't want to go down the rabbit hole again. The M2 was track ready out of the box with just pads and fluid. Wanted same kind of experience. I will do pads/fluid, track alignment and leave it there for now.

Glad to see Ford closing the performance gap, but for $10k the M1 is still missing an active diff. Torsen is not bad, but torque vectoring makes a huge difference.

I'm looking forward to smash all my previous Personal Best times at my local tracks. Those were set with the Mustang.

The M2 I owned and tracked while on ex-pat assignment in Germany, so I won't be able to directly compare lap times.

DaveC113 · 06-23-2021, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

I faced this choice recently. Decided to go the SS 1LE way. I had a BMW M2 before this, and a '14 GT "Track Pack" before that. I remember how much work I had to put into the Track Pack to make it track worthy. Springs, dampers, sways, the MT-82 was always a let down, wheels, tires, exhaust ... I did enjoy the Coyote and happy it was to rev quickly. With the short gearing in the Mustang, in 2nd you go from 4k rpm to 7k in like 2-3s. Thrilling powerplant.

I liked the Brembos, but in the end I didn't want to go down the rabbit hole again. The M2 was track ready out of the box with just pads and fluid. Wanted same kind of experience. I will do pads/fluid, track alignment and leave it there for now.

Glad to see Ford closing the performance gap, but for $10k the M1 is still missing an active diff. Torsen is not bad, but torque vectoring makes a huge difference.

I'm looking forward to smash all my previous Personal Best times at my local tracks. Those were set with the Mustang.

The M2 I owned and tracked while on ex-pat assignment in Germany, so I won't be able to directly compare lap times.

Congrats on the car!

FWIW, our cars don't do torque vectoring and I don't think the M2 does either. E-LSD allows the diff to go from open to locked or anywhere in-between but can't send power from side to side.

JK001 · 06-23-2021, 08:06 PM

And here is the actual data folks, no speculations. Just read the entire article. Cheers!
https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...500-test-data/

5.M0NSTER · 06-23-2021, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveC113

Congrats on the car!

FWIW, our cars don't do torque vectoring and I don't think the M2 does either. E-LSD allows the diff to go from open to locked or anywhere in-between but can't send power from side to side.

You are correct, that's what I meant to say. Slip controllable not torque vectoring.

Nothing like an SS · 06-24-2021, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JK001

And here is the actual data folks, no speculations. Just read the entire article. Cheers!
https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...500-test-data/

Was going to post this exact thing this morning! SS 1LE, enough said....

JK001 · 06-24-2021, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nothing like an SS

Was going to post this exact thing this morning! SS 1LE, enough said....

hotlap · 06-24-2021, 08:02 AM

…since 2016.

IMO the SS 1LE is the best of the gen6 Camaro. Naturally aspirated track star. I’m so pleased Chevy opened it up to allow the 2SS. For only an additional 8 pounds, they made it perfect.

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There's just one small, bow tie-wearing wrench to throw into this whole mix: the sixth-gen Camaro SS 1LE.

The last V-8-powered 1LE we tested doesn't just roast the Mach 1—it beats every Mustang mentioned here around the figure-eight, and its 93-foot stop from 60 is better than every Mustang on this list, too. A 22.9 second lap at an average of 0.91 g is nothing short of phenomenal, and again, better than any Mustang here. Because it isn't endowed with supercar horsepower or a twin-clutch automatic transmission, the 1LE does lose out to the most powerful Mustangs in the 0-60 mph sprint, but it's still quicker than the Mach 1.

Oh and by the way, the 1LE is the cheapest car here, too. With a starting price of $51,090, the 1LE isn't just the bargain of the group, it's one of the best performance deals on the market. It has been since 2016.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...500-test-data/

Nothing like an SS · 06-24-2021, 08:38 AM

At work today, discussing Mach 1 vs SS 1LE with a buddy at work, who just paid $72 K for his Mach 1. He absolutely agrees, best performance value for the buck, by FAR = SS 1LE

Mach is a nice car, just way overpriced IMO

He also has a Cobra he spent 3 years building which would destroy both cars, but that's an entirely different story...

05-25-2021, 07:00 PM	#99
Dave777 Drives: 1985 Z28 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 125	Any idea what is the G handeling of a PP1 Mustang compared to 1LE ?

06-23-2021, 07:06 AM	#105
5.M0NSTER Drives: 2018 Camaro 1SS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Michigan Posts: 434	I faced this choice recently. Decided to go the SS 1LE way. I had a BMW M2 before this, and a '14 GT "Track Pack" before that. I remember how much work I had to put into the Track Pack to make it track worthy. Springs, dampers, sways, the MT-82 was always a let down, wheels, tires, exhaust ... I did enjoy the Coyote and happy it was to rev quickly. With the short gearing in the Mustang, in 2nd you go from 4k rpm to 7k in like 2-3s. Thrilling powerplant. I liked the Brembos, but in the end I didn't want to go down the rabbit hole again. The M2 was track ready out of the box with just pads and fluid. Wanted same kind of experience. I will do pads/fluid, track alignment and leave it there for now. Glad to see Ford closing the performance gap, but for $10k the M1 is still missing an active diff. Torsen is not bad, but torque vectoring makes a huge difference. I'm looking forward to smash all my previous Personal Best times at my local tracks. Those were set with the Mustang. The M2 I owned and tracked while on ex-pat assignment in Germany, so I won't be able to directly compare lap times.

06-23-2021, 08:06 PM	#107
JK001 Drives: ZHP, Alfa 4C, RAM, X5, 17SS1LE-sold Join Date: May 2017 Location: East Coast Posts: 270	And here is the actual data folks, no speculations. Just read the entire article. Cheers! https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...500-test-data/

06-24-2021, 08:38 AM	#112
Nothing like an SS Faster!!! Drives: 2020 Camaro 1SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 991	At work today, discussing Mach 1 vs SS 1LE with a buddy at work, who just paid $72 K for his Mach 1. He absolutely agrees, best performance value for the buck, by FAR = SS 1LE Mach is a nice car, just way overpriced IMO He also has a Cobra he spent 3 years building which would destroy both cars, but that's an entirely different story...

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