2020 GT500 Versus ZL1 Versus C8 Versus Hellcat - Page 268

Emoto · 10-03-2019, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

While it is cool that it is a retractable hard top, at least to me just looking at the pictures it doesn't give a ton more open space than the coupe with the targa top taken off. I'd stick with just the coupe and take the targa top off.

And just played around with the C8 build and price. A C8 the way I would have it, comes out to 69,785, which is only 3500 more than the way I would spec a C7....bravo GM

No question that the C8 is really cool. I want to see what happens to C7 prices once the C8 becomes widely available. I might be able to swing one.

NW-99SS · 10-03-2019, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

While it is cool that it is a retractable hard top, at least to me just looking at the pictures it doesn't give a ton more open space than the coupe with the targa top taken off. I'd stick with just the coupe and take the targa top off.

And just played around with the C8 build and price. A C8 the way I would have it, comes out to 69,785, which is only 3500 more than the way I would spec a C7....bravo GM

So many people don't realize this. The C8 is a huge achievement for the price point.

Martinjlm · 10-03-2019, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

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I saw this video a few weeks ago and I could not tolerate it much longer after the first time I heard him call it a "Zetel 1", "Zero 1", Zeltol 1", "Zaitel 1". I couldn't stomach it.

Well, they are Canadian. And in Canada "Z" is pronounced Zed. So what they are saying is Zed L1.

Idaho2018GTPremium · 10-03-2019, 10:36 PM

Back to speculation and GT500 vs ZL1:

Consider:

The Mercedes AMG GT63 S can do the N'ring in 7:25. It has 630 hp and weighs 4,680 lbs. Take away 600 lbs, add 130 hp and carbon fiber wheels...

Another data point, the Jaguar XE SV Project 8 is about 4,100 lbs and has 592 hp and ran a 7:21 at the ring. Similar weight as the GT500 CFTP but much less powerful. Makes me think the GT500 will be able to surpass the 7:16 the ZLE ran if the Jaguar is only 5 seconds away from the ZLE.

hotlap · 10-04-2019, 05:49 AM

Consider:
S550 platform
FOMOCO

lt4camaro · 10-04-2019, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Back to speculation and GT500 vs ZL1:

Consider:

The Mercedes AMG GT63 S can do the N'ring in 7:25. It has 630 hp and weighs 4,680 lbs. Take away 600 lbs, add 130 hp and carbon fiber wheels...

Another data point, the Jaguar XE SV Project 8 is about 4,100 lbs and has 592 hp and ran a 7:21 at the ring. Similar weight as the GT500 CFTP but much less powerful. Makes me think the GT500 will be able to surpass the 7:16 the ZLE ran if the Jaguar is only 5 seconds away from the ZLE.

The Gt500 will never be just over 4000 lbs, 4225 lbs is the weight and only has 630 ft lbs of torque versus 717 for the mercedes.

NW-99SS · 10-04-2019, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Well, they are Canadian. And in Canada "Z" is pronounced Zed. So what they are saying is Zed L1.

Damn Canucks!

whiteboyblues2001 · 10-04-2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Well, they are Canadian. And in Canada "Z" is pronounced Zed. So what they are saying is Zed L1.

It's not just the Canadians, it's also pronounced "Zed" in England, and even when the Germans speak English, they use "Zed". As in a ZF transmission, they pronouce it "Zed Eff".

whiteboyblues2001 · 10-04-2019, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lt4camaro

The Gt500 will never be just over 4000 lbs, 4225 lbs is the weight and only has 630 ft lbs of torque versus 717 for the mercedes.

AND, Ford won't bring the GT500 to the 'ring anyway.

BlaqWhole · 10-04-2019, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

AND, Ford won't bring the GT500 to the 'ring anyway.

AND the GT500 is NOT an AMG.

hotlap · 10-04-2019, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Throttle house just did a comparison between the RedEye and the ZLE, including drag and track battles:

Fun to watch.

Finally! A car that the PP1 can beat on a road course.

Rodan · 10-04-2019, 08:55 AM

The 4 second delta between the Hellcat and an MX-5 says a LOT about that track.

The ZL1 is definitely the better all-round car, and an A10 would have made the drag race pretty interesting.

Gotta love the color combo on the Hellcat though... a lot more choices in the Dodge camp for paint and interior.

shaffe · 10-04-2019, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Consider:
S550 platform
FOMOCO

Beat me to it lol. We know Ford can dial the S550 in in the GT350R....I don't have faith that they can dial it in as well as AMG can lol.

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Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

AND, Ford won't bring the GT500 to the 'ring anyway.

I'm sure they have brought it to the ring, what they won't do is go for a lap record.

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Originally Posted by Rodan

The 4 second delta between the Hellcat and an MX-5 says a LOT about that track.

The ZL1 is definitely the better all-round car, and an A10 would have made the drag race pretty interesting.

Gotta love the color combo on the Hellcat though... a lot more choices in the Dodge camp for paint and interior.

Dodge's paint choices are awesome.

NW-99SS · 10-04-2019, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodan

The 4 second delta between the Hellcat and an MX-5 says a LOT about that track.

The ZL1 is definitely the better all-round car, and an A10 would have made the drag race pretty interesting.

Gotta love the color combo on the Hellcat though... a lot more choices in the Dodge camp for paint and interior.

It's MoSport in Ontario and they even mention how short and technical it is. Definitely favors light and agile over HP and downforce.

10-03-2019, 10:36 PM	#3742
Idaho2018GTPremium Drives: 2021 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,204	Back to speculation and GT500 vs ZL1: Consider: The Mercedes AMG GT63 S can do the N'ring in 7:25. It has 630 hp and weighs 4,680 lbs. Take away 600 lbs, add 130 hp and carbon fiber wheels... Another data point, the Jaguar XE SV Project 8 is about 4,100 lbs and has 592 hp and ran a 7:21 at the ring. Similar weight as the GT500 CFTP but much less powerful. Makes me think the GT500 will be able to surpass the 7:16 the ZLE ran if the Jaguar is only 5 seconds away from the ZLE. __________________ 2021 Camaro ZL1 A10 2022 GR Supra 3.0 Past: 2018 Mustang GT Premium w/ PP1, MR, and A10 2007 MazdaSpeed3 1995 Pontiac Trans Am 1987 Camaro Z28

10-04-2019, 05:49 AM	#3743
hotlap Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Franklin WI Posts: 6,632	Consider: S550 platform FOMOCO __________________ "the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan -

10-04-2019, 08:55 AM	#3750
Rodan Drives: 2018 ZL1 coupe Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Prescott, Arizona Posts: 589	The 4 second delta between the Hellcat and an MX-5 says a LOT about that track. The ZL1 is definitely the better all-round car, and an A10 would have made the drag race pretty interesting. Gotta love the color combo on the Hellcat though... a lot more choices in the Dodge camp for paint and interior.

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