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10-01-2019, 10:49 AM | #3684 | ||
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Agree the ZLE has a ton of advantages over the C8 Z51. Advantages for the ZLE: tires, brakes, aero, suspension, 155 more HP, 180 more tq. Advantages for C8 - Mid engine layout, about 300 pounds less weight, DCT Again not a slight on the C8, I just think the ZLE has to many things going for it. |
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10-01-2019, 10:58 AM | #3685 | |
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The c7 z06 is 380lbs lighter, both with fluids, so I’d think an NA c8 will be around 33xx with fluids |
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10-01-2019, 11:52 AM | #3686 |
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Even if the advantage of the C8 is due to traction it still takes HP to run those times at those speeds. Remember, the 650 HP ZL1 is 11.4 at 122. So the C8 is running a tenth faster at the same speed. So even tho it has the traction to do those 0-60s it is still ahead of the ZL1 at the end of the quarter where they are doing the same speed. Perhaps beyond the quarter the ZL1 will catch it. But it can be assumed that if both cars are coming around a bend at 60 MPH and they both nail it the ZL1 would need some time to pass the C8. I doubt it will just blow by it. Unless that 0-60 just puts the C8 soo far ahead that the ZL1 needs more than a quarter mile to catch up. Maybe without that head start the ZL1 would actually blow by it. This all remains to be seen.
But we can speculate that the Base C8 WILL beat a GT350R around a track. I think that is a given and not debatable. So depending on how bad it kicks the GT350R's ass, it could be possible that it'll also beat the ZL1. Remember the ZL1 beat the R by 0.4 sec. That is a lot. But let's say the Base C8 beats the R on that same track by 0.6 seconds. That means it runs 2 tenths faster than the ZL1 on that same track. It could be all thru carrying a lot of speed thru the turns and coming out at higher speeds. I don't know. But it is possible that the Base C8 will beat the R by a larger margin than the ZL1 did. So if the Z51 C8 is to the Base C8 what the ZLE is to the ZL1 then it stands to reason that the Z51 just might be able to get around a track faster than the ZLE. This is all scaling and speculation but I do not think I'm far off. In fact I think I might be more right than wrong. If the Z51 can beat the C7 GS and the ZLE then I doubt there is anything besides the C7 ZR1 and C8 GS/Z06/ZR1 that will beat it. But maybe I'm just a little hopeful. |
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The ZLE is 3800 and change. If the leaked specs from the engineer book are right on the C8, than the Z51 weighs 3577. A difference of around 300 pounds
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https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...nsions-torque/ Curb weight includes fluids - what's left to question is gas - empty/full.
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10-01-2019, 12:17 PM | #3689 | ||
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The 3366 is the dry weight, I'm pretty sure one of GM's press releases even said that. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...corvette-specs From Road & Track WEIGHTS & CAPACITIES Dry Weight (lb. / kg): 3366 / 1530 https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-photos-specs/
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The ZL1 is a victim of a stock tune. Did Chevy hold the ZL1 back a bit so as not to show up the Corvette? Or.....?
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I am just saying if you look at the mid engine cars that put up better lap times than the ZLE and compare those cars to the C8, you will see they either have more power, lighter or both. There's only so much magic GM can do with the chassis and suspension. I'll be the first to eat some crow if I am wrong, but I'd still put my money on the ZLE putting up better lap times than the C8 Z51. As far as restricting the ZL1. The only way I think they did was the nannies might be a little over aggressive in protecting the drivetrain from getting grenaded. |
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10-01-2019, 01:43 PM | #3694 | |
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Same driver, same track, same da, guarantee the zl1 is 4-5mph faster in trap speed than a stock c8. So yes, if they both run 11.3, the c8 makes it all up in that 0-60 time and the zl1 will start steaming back from behind. |
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All that discussion about what is, and is not, collectible. This Mustang sure is!
https://bullitt.mecum.com/?utm_sourc...eid=774656af96
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Regardless of what other manufacturers are doing with a claimed X HP and at a claimed X weight we have seen the Corvettes over the years keeping up with many of them and beating a lot of them. Before even switching to the ME design. So I would not be surprised if the C8 beats all these cars with higher HP and less weight on paper. I have very high hopes and expectations for the C8 Z51. And even if it doesn't meet those expectations then as long as it outperforms the C7 Z51 I'll be a happy camper and it'll be money well spent. I plan to throw a blower on it... |
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