[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by JAZ

The trend in Europe doesn't seem to agree with you.

Mustang vs Camaro Sales in Europe

2014 YTD
556 Mustang
932 Camaro

2015 YTD
4,710 Mustang
367 Camaro

2016 YTD August
11,383 Mustang
317 Camaro

I pulled my numbers right off Fords website...and why are you using numbers for 2014 and 2015? GM didn't market the 5th gen for any other market in the slightest...I mean this is a 6th gen forum right?

Also, the 6th gen has just started overseas sales, so you comparison metrics really don't work yet. But even taking totals, 11,383 units isn't anything great, and IMO not sure that even makes all the certification and changes Ford did worth it...bottom line is overseas sales are a drop in the bucket overall for these cars.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Um the fact that it is a Camaro and not a Corvette. It doesn't have the look of a corvette(Which IMO the Corvette styling blows away the Camaro), it's not a sports car, it doesn't have some of the Corvette features, and it's a pony car.

Styling is an opinion, nothing more. I could have ordered a Corvette, IMO, the new ones just don't do it for me unless in top Z06 guise, so I went with a Camaro as I feel it looks more muscular, especially in SS 1LE trim. I mean it's no Focus, but still...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Guys you are thinking too much about what is right now. Will the MR C8 look like a Corvette? Probably not as much. It'll also be priced way outside of the typical Vette market and some will probably feel MR is sacrilege to it's history (remember Zora wanted it to be MR). The Corvette didn't just appear one day have all the stuff that makes it what it is today to you did it?

And BTW I didn't say the Camaro was going to replace it...just target the market which Corvette has been growing out of for awhile, the ones who want an affordable world class sports car but actually don't really care about track performance. If the MR C8 is the only one and costs close $100k, where are all those buyers going to go? They aren't moving that far up in the market.

Also I'm not saying I want this to happen too. I'd prefer a standalone model.

No the Corvette didn't just appear and have all this stuff but with the exception of the C3 I have pretty much always loved the Corvette.

And to your last point the buyers that aren't moving up market with the MR C8, some might get camaros, I have a feeling many others will either look at the used market or other options from other makes. You can make the Camaro as fast as possible, it's still not a Corvette.

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Styling is an opinion, nothing more. I could have ordered a Corvette, IMO, the new ones just don't do it for me unless in top Z06 guise, so I went with a Camaro as I feel it looks more muscular. I mean it's no Focus, but still...

Oh yeah style is totally subjective. The C7 just hits everything for me.

And believe me if I could be driving anything other than this Focus I would haha! Got it back in 11 when I decided have a 52 mile round trip everyday was a good idea. Priorities have since changed a car like the Camaro just isn't an option for me right now.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Guys you are thinking too much about what is right now. Will the MR C8 look like a Corvette? Probably not as much. It'll also be priced way outside of the typical Vette market and some will probably feel MR is sacrilege to it's history (remember Zora wanted it to be MR). The Corvette didn't just appear one day have all the stuff that makes it what it is today to you did it?

And BTW I didn't say the Camaro was going to replace it...just target the market which Corvette has been growing out of for awhile, the ones who want an affordable world class sports car but actually don't really care about track performance. If the MR C8 is the only one and costs close $100k, where are all those buyers going to go? They aren't moving that far up in the market.

Also I'm not saying I want this to happen too. I'd prefer a standalone model.

Getting off topic, but I don't think there is any reason to think that the next gen Corvette is going to be a 100K+ car only.

My feelings are that the current Corvette will soldier on even after the first C8 Corvette becomes available, and will likely even get a slight refresh sometime between now and then. The first mid engine Corvette will likely be a high end model costing in the 80 - 100K range. I can see it now...everyone is going to be crying and whining about how GM ruined the Corvette by pricing it so high. But shortly thereafter more lower end mid engine Corvettes will come, and they will be cheaper. I don't see why they can't roll out base mid engine Corvettes that start in the 60 - 70K range. So the layout and the engine location changes. That doesn't mean the price goes up 40 grand for just that reason alone.

[Expunge]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

I pulled my numbers right off Fords website...and why are you using numbers for 2014 and 2015? GM didn't market the 5th gen for any other market in the slightest...I mean this is a 6th gen forum right?

Also, the 6th gen has just started overseas sales, so you comparison metrics really don't work yet. But even taking totals, 11,383 units isn't anything great, and IMO not sure that even makes all the certification and changes Ford did worth it...bottom line is overseas sales are a drop in the bucket overall for these cars.

The Mustang is selling well overseas because they now offer the steering wheel on the right side for the Brits. That is a significant consideration.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Expunge

The Mustang is selling well overseas because they now offer the steering wheel on the right side for the Brits. That is a significant consideration.

And doesn't need to be localized at extra cost...or be sold in the gray market.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by shaffe

No the Corvette didn't just appear and have all this stuff but with the exception of the C3 I have pretty much always loved the Corvette.

And to your last point the buyers that aren't moving up market with the MR C8, some might get camaros, I have a feeling many others will either look at the used market or other options from other makes. You can make the Camaro as fast as possible, it's still not a Corvette.

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Getting off topic, but I don't think there is any reason to think that the next gen Corvette is going to be a 100K+ car only.

My feelings are that the current Corvette will soldier on even after the first C8 Corvette becomes available, and will likely even get a slight refresh sometime between now and then. The first mid engine Corvette will likely be a high end model costing in the 80 - 100K range. I can see it now...everyone is going to be crying and whining about how GM ruined the Corvette by pricing it so high. But shortly thereafter more lower end mid engine Corvettes will come, and they will be cheaper. I don't see why they can't roll out base mid engine Corvettes that start in the 60 - 70K range. So the layout and the engine location changes. That doesn't mean the price goes up 40 grand for just that reason alone.

Yep we are on the same page. Like I said, it's just conjecture I've seen thrown around a few times. KMPrenger is probably right about about cheaper C8s being unveiled after, but at the same time the C7 has been moving steadily up in price, much more so than just inflation. Time will only tell.

Anyways sorry I got us off topic more so than usual for these threads lol

[Dudie7]

Originally Posted by Thor142

This ^^^


Really nothing else to it. Chevy offered enough incentives to make people think the price was fair and they bought the car.

Yup...the conclusion any level headed person would ultimately come to. Great car but just a bit more than some were willing to pay. Take up to 16% off and, well, they start moving a few more units.

[JLSuperfly]

The infinite wisdom in this thread, like Ric Flair said, "Whooooooo"!

[spratleyea]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

Thank you, Captain Obvious...

You are welcome.

[JAZ]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

I pulled my numbers right off Fords website...and why are you using numbers for 2014 and 2015? GM didn't market the 5th gen for any other market in the slightest...I mean this is a 6th gen forum right?

Also, the 6th gen has just started overseas sales, so you comparison metrics really don't work yet. But even taking totals, 11,383 units isn't anything great, and IMO not sure that even makes all the certification and changes Ford did worth it...bottom line is overseas sales are a drop in the bucket overall for these cars.

A 2,794% jump in Mustang sales over 2 years just in Europe "isn't anything great"? I don't want to be a pest or a troll, but I would like to know what it would take to convince you that something important is happening outside of the US with Pony Cars.

Maybe this article will help. http://www.caradvice.com.au/476989/f...ng-family-suv/

Ford store employees are reporting on Mustang6G that they are screaming for more inventory from Ford but can't get it. Their showrooms are almost bare. Others are speculating that Ford is pushing all of the inventory they can outside of the US to fill the huge backlog of Mustang orders overseas well before the 2018 refresh is announced.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by JAZ

A 2,794% jump in Mustang sales over 2 years just in Europe "isn't anything great"? I don't want to be a pest or a troll, but I would like to know what it would take to convince you that something important is happening outside of the US with Pony Cars.

Maybe this article will help. http://www.caradvice.com.au/476989/f...ng-family-suv/

Ford store employees are reporting on Mustang6G that they are screaming for more inventory from Ford but can't get it. Their showrooms are almost bare. Others are speculating that Ford is pushing all of the inventory they can outside of the US to fill the huge backlog of Mustang orders overseas well before the 2018 refresh is announced.

The jump was 2794% only because the previous numbers were so minuscule. Until 50,000 units are sold overseas, it's not going to make any sort of a huge impact. Are overseas sales better, of course, are the numbers earth shattering, not really.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by JAZ

A 2,794% jump in Mustang sales over 2 years just in Europe "isn't anything great"? I don't want to be a pest or a troll, but I would like to know what it would take to convince you that something important is happening outside of the US with Pony Cars.

Maybe this article will help. http://www.caradvice.com.au/476989/f...ng-family-suv/

Ford store employees are reporting on Mustang6G that they are screaming for more inventory from Ford but can't get it. Their showrooms are almost bare. Others are speculating that Ford is pushing all of the inventory they can outside of the US to fill the huge backlog of Mustang orders overseas well before the 2018 refresh is announced.

2,794%?

While I don't think anyone can say the 6th gen Mustang isn't selling well for the world wide market, perspective needs to be maintained. There were 855k cars sold in August alone in Europe, and 10 million year to date. The Mustang's market share is plain tiny, in an already tiny sports car market for Europe. Like GM's profit per Camaro, we will likely never know if the world sales are enough to recoup the costs of those extra certifications.

[SpeedIsLife]

The Mustang is the best selling sports car in Germany...consider that. This is a country where the entire M series is native, as well as various Audi's and Alfa's are available.

and the best selling sports car is a Ford Mustang.

You can try to minimize it, discount it, or discredit it..but the Mustang, in terms of American car sales in Europe, is a smashing success.