[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So now they're going with objective data to choose the winner eh? LOL! I guess all that GT350R magic and the exhaust sound and how it just looks soo good and how there's just something about it and how the high revs is all nothing. Now it's all about the extra HP and the trap speeds and the huge brakes and the difference in the quarter mile. LOL!! And now the $94K CF version wins only based on objective data. I guess these goofballs felt they had to protect the GT500 so it wouldn't lose to the ($20K cheaper) GT350R.

But it'll be back to subjective comments when the ZLE beats the CF and the ZL1 beats the Base around a track. Then it'll be all how the GT500 is a better car to live with and they can drive it easily and it has a DCT and the steering wheel feels nice and the seatbelt is amazing and the sound guys like the hood vents...

It wasn't all objective to me but yes the increased performance weighed in their decision, they still sung the praises of the GT350 pretty good but just said the 500 is just all around better. They even said what a few of us here say. the 350 was a great car when it came out, but times have changed

they did make an effort though like you mentioned to only compare the 350 and 500 and 350R and CFTP

There were a few things that stuck out to me. They predict in their tests a 11.00 1/4 mile. They also said the CFTP is a super car hunter like the Viper ACR was....that is some big words. That car better perform with that type of early praise.

and if you want to get back to subjective reviews lol

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...he-718-cayman/

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by GuywithL86

Yeah, they screwed up the voodoo, but the coyote is amazing

Point is, gm only really had one great dohc v8, and it was designed by lotus for the c4 zr1

Then they had the northstar, and that thing sucked.

They have zero history as far as I know of ever developing a dohc v8 that didn’t suck. And ford built pretty much the best dohc budget v8’s ever, the coyote.

Really not a ford or gm guy, but if you look at history gm has only ever had success with pushrod v8’s, and they are so good at it that they are still used today and pretty much crush everything in regards to hp/weight, hp/physical size, hp/cost, hp/efficiency. The only major downside they have is the powerband.

Coyotes are overall pretty badass but the jury is still out on the reliability of the gen 3 coyotes with the amount of issues they had in 2018. Even Ford guys can admit to that.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

It wasn't all objective to me but yes the increased performance weighed in their decision, they still sung the praises of the GT350 pretty good but just said the 500 is just all around better. They even said what a few of us here say. the 350 was a great car when it came out, but times have changed

they did make an effort though like you mentioned to only compare the 350 and 500 and 350R and CFTP

There were a few things that stuck out to me. They predict in their tests a 11.00 1/4 mile. They also said the CFTP is a super car hunter like the Viper ACR was....that is some big words. That car better perform with that type of early praise.

and if you want to get back to subjective reviews lol

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...he-718-cayman/

Comparing it an ACR is ludicrous at best. That is a setup for failure by setting the bar at ACR and ZR1 ZTK level. First beat a ZLE A10, and let's see by how much...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Comparing it an ACR is ludicrous at best. That is a setup for failure by setting the bar at ACR and ZR1 ZTK level. First beat a ZLE A10, and let's see by how much...

The exact quote is "The GT500, especially when fitted with the Carbon Fiber Track package, is a supercar hunter in the way the last Dodge Viper ACR was. Not only is it amazingly capable, but it's also easy to drive right up to its limits. "

I agree, those are some big words and quite the car to compare it to without really testing it yet.

[jvandy50]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Comparing it an ACR is ludicrous at best. That is a setup for failure by setting the bar at ACR and ZR1 ZTK level. First beat a ZLE A10, and let's see by how much...

i don't think many clicked on the ZL1 and ZR1 it beat at grattan to see the vette was a gen6 and the camaro a gen5...

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by jvandy50

i don't think many clicked on the ZL1 and ZR1 it beat at grattan to see the vette was a gen6 and the camaro a gen5...

Priceless

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by jvandy50

i don't think many clicked on the ZL1 and ZR1 it beat at grattan to see the vette was a gen6 and the camaro a gen5...

Originally Posted by hotlap

Priceless

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by jvandy50

i don't think many clicked on the ZL1 and ZR1 it beat at grattan to see the vette was a gen6 and the camaro a gen5...

Considering the C7 ZR1 beat the Ford GT lap time by 3.5 seconds in last years C&D Lightning Lap.. yeah yeah not same driver / same day blah blah.. I don't see it beating the ZR1.

[GuywithL86]

Rofl at a 2 ton mustang racing against this thing

[jvandy50]

i brought up that little factoid when everybody was busy timing that lap and fapping to it, but was dismissed as a troll immediately due to what i currently drive.

i do think it'll be a fast and badass car, but i felt something was off there...and it was.

[shaffe]

and for the record I am not expecting the GT500 CFTP to perform any where near the ACR. I just thought it was interesting that that was the car MT wanted to use in that reference

[BlaqWhole]

I feel like it's been amateur hour over at MT lately. Either that or they're trying to sell the GT500 and justify it's price for Ford.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I feel like it's been amateur hour over at MT lately. Either that or they're trying to sell the GT500 and justify it's price for Ford.

They lost me when Cammisa came out as a crossdresser.

Seriously. All the Mustang vs Camaro H2H have been a mismatched waste of time.

SS vs M4 (skipped the Mustang*)
ZL1 vs GT350R (why**)
1LE vs PP1 (***)

no PP2 vs 1LE
no GT350 vs 1LE (****)
no PP1 vs SS

* would have embarrassed and humiliated Ford
** Why H2H the ZL1 and GT350R if you’re going to judge subjectively on criteria not common to both cars? A grand touring trim vs a track car. Compare ZLE vs GT350R or don’t bother.
***should have let the SS embarrass and humiliate the PP1. The 1LE was overkill
****would have embarrassed and humiliated Ford

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by hotlap

They lost me when Cammisa came out as a crossdresser.

Seriously. All the Mustang vs Camaro H2H have been a mismatched waste of time.

SS vs M4 (skipped the Mustang*)
ZL1 vs GT350R (why**)
1LE vs PP1 (***)

no PP2 vs 1LE
no GT350 vs 1LE (****)
no PP1 vs SS

* would have embarrassed and humiliated Ford
** Why H2H the ZL1 and GT350R if you’re going to judge subjectively on criteria not common to both cars? A grand touring trim vs a track car. Compare ZLE vs GT350R or don’t bother.
***should have let the SS embarrass and humiliate the PP1. The 1LE was overkill
****would have embarrassed and humiliated Ford

Ford has been getting their tail kicked since 2016. I'm starting to wonder if the mags purposely did things the way you mentioned just so Ford could save face.