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I just want to see all the angles. You - to me, made it quite clear, this is a process, one that will take years but will evolve and get better. And in a forum group like this it will be an up hill battle. Me being one, considering I just bought a ZL1 \ My main sticking point is "US" thinking we do not need to drill oil. Batteries or not we still will need - at the moment, and near future - 99% of that barrel for all the other needs. And no one is thinking about that. Seems like shift of blame to me.
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04-16-2023, 06:42 PM | #605 |
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So here's what we expect to see in terms of EV introductions from GM. This is not everything. Just what I can list because they are discussed publicly in at least one location that I can document. For a number of the legacy nameplates, appearance of the EV version does not mean that the ICE version is going away. Expect them to be sold side-by-side for some period of time as GM makes the transition between now and 2035. Some legacy nameplates will disappear before the EV brand if the plant where the legacy nameplate is built is being converted to a Factory Zero (LGR for example).
Brand & Nameplate / Description / Timing / Price range Cadillac Lyriq / Luxury Crossover / On sale now / $63 - 80k Cadillac Celestiq / Exotic Sedan / Sold out for 18 months / $300k + BrightDrop Zevo 600 / Cargo Van / Delivering to fleet customers / < $50k Chevrolet Blazer EV / Mid Sized SUV / Summer 2023 / $45 - 66k Chevrolet Equinox EV / Compact SUV / Fall 2023 / $30 - 45k Chevrolet Silverado EV / Full Size Pick up / Spring 2023 / $41.6k - 107k GMC Hummer EV SUV / Large SUV / Spring 2023 / $70 - 110k GMC Sierra EV / Full Size Pick Up / Fall 2023 / $45 - 110k Buick Electra (alphanumeric) / Compact CUV / Early 2024 / Unknown Buick Electra (alphanumeric) / Mid Size CUV / Mid 2024 / Unknown Cadillac Symboliq / Compact Lux Utility / Late 2024 / Unknown Cadillac Escalade IQ Large Lux Utility / Mid to Late 2024 / Unknown Cadillac Unknown;btw Lyriq and Escalade / Full Size Lux Utility / Mid to Late 2024 Unknown Honda Prologue / Compact CUV built at GM plant / Mid 2024 / Unknown Cadillac Escalade IQL / Longer version of Escalade IQ / Early 2025 / Unknown Chevrolet Corvette EV / Midsize Performance CUV / Mid 2025 / Unknown Buick Encore GX EV / Compact CUV / 2026 / Unknown Cadillac CT4/CT5 EV / Sedans / 2026 / Unknown Chevrolet Colorado EV / Mid Size Pick Up / 2026 / Unknown GMC Canyon EV / Mid Size Pick Up / 2026 / Unknown Chevrolet Express EV / Cargo Van / 2026 / Unknown GMC Savana EV / Cargo Van / 2026 / Unknown Chevrolet Tahoe EV / Full Size SUV / 2026 / Unknown GMC Yukon EV / Full Size SUV / 2026 / Unknown
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04-16-2023, 07:33 PM | #606 |
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WoW... that's one hell of a list.
Tks for working that up. I have a Blazer reservation and nice to see they start this summer. |
04-17-2023, 06:39 AM | #607 |
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So do I for the wife, perfect commuter car for her, though i'd bet we won't see one this summer. My dealer has been silent on the matter. GM has told them almost nothing.
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Interesting list. But the "Timing" column seems a bit vague. Some being already in production, orders taken, etc. Those dates may be more accurate....But others, aside from still needing a plant, etc. the timing could also mean a reveal date...order date...limited first edition dates, stretched out for several additional years... I don't really care so to speak...lol...but these "promise" dates so far seem to have been overly optimistic and watching-paint-dry long. No big deal, really. But the Intro to actual on the road seems like a lot longer than what we have seen. Just an observation...and a somewhat jaded gripe...so, sorry, no offense meant...lol..I know it's a huge undertaking and things happen, no-one has a perfect crystal ball, etc. but definitely not worth holding one's breath over and better for me to put them in the I'll believe it when I see it column...lol... All good. Appreciate the info and your hard work for our edification. P.S. How about that Corvette EV!....lol P.S.S. Also looks like a continuation of Hi-end intros. Not much to cheer about in the bottom affordability range it seems. Hopefully not the case, but we'll see. |
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A new EV Credits list...:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elec...ll-list-2023-4 As of April 18, only 10 all-electric car models qualify for the full $7,500 tax credit in the US. Chevrolet; Tesla; Cadillac; Ford More details about $7,500 tax credits for electric cars came out on Monday. Tax credits are crucial to encourage more EV adoption given the cars, on average, are expensive. Here's which electric cars qualify for the EV tax credit starting on April 18. The US Treasury Department on Monday released a list of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles that qualify for the full amount of new EV tax credits available, or $,7500, which stem from the massive Inflation Reduction Act passed last August. Monday's news also detailed which electrified vehicles qualify for half credit, or $3,750. Whether a plug-in vehicle qualifies for credits is determined by the vehicle's eligibility based on criteria like sticker price, as well as whether it was assembled in the US. The two halves of the credit are related to the origin of its battery and critical minerals components. The industry was especially waiting for details on that, given how complex the EV battery supply chain is — and how much automakers are leaning on China for those materials. The tax credits are meant to incentivize the auto industry to move their supply chains and invest in electric vehicle development in the US. Only 10 electric vehicles can get the full credit amount starting April 18, while six others qualify for partial credits. |
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First impressions, it seems like they didn't cave-in much and relax the non-domestic components, etc., not sure......How often are these Treasury Dept. lists up for review, changes and appeals? Chevy and GM seem to be the big "winners".... |
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The Treasury review was a one time thing. The way the bill is written there was some ambiguity about how to determine where minerals were mined versus where they were processed. Treasury was asked to decide on the ambiguity. Now that they have, the bill is what the bill is unless Joe Manchin is successful in closing the leased vehicle loophole. Not looking too promising for Joe, though.
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Commercial vehicles are treated differently than passenger vehicles.
Passenger vehicles have to be built in North America to qualify. Commercial vehicles don’t. Passenger vehicles have to be priced at or below $55,000 for cars, $80,000 for utilities and pick ups. Commercial vehicles don’t have those restrictions. Passenger vehicles have to have specific battery components (anodes and cathodes) produced in the US or a Free Trade partner country to qualify for $3,750 and have minerals sourced from or processed in the US or a Free Trade partner country for the other $3,750. Commercial vehicles don’t. Buyers of passenger vehicles that pass the above qualifications must have household income not exceeding $150,000 for a taxpayer filing Single, $225,000 for a taxpayer filing Head of Household, $300,000 for a taxpayer filing Married, Joint. Buyers of commercial vehicles don’t. Now the loophole… Treasury defines a Commercial Vehicle to be a vehicle used by an entity for the sole purpose of generating revenue. If you are a leasing company, the vehicles that you buy and own for the purpose of leasing to individuals (generating revenue) are by definition Commercial Vehicles. The leasing company gets the incentive, not the person leasing the vehicle from the leasing company. They can choose to pass all, part, or none of the incentive value on to the leasing customer. So how’s that work? If I buy a Cadillac Lyriq and it stickers at $79,000 and our household income is less than $300k, we would qualify for a $7,500 tax incentive. If I lease a $153,000 Porsche Taycan Turbo that is made in Stuttgart, Germany, the leasing company I lease it from gets a $7,500 tax incentive. They can put it in their pocket or they can reduce the price of the car that I lease from them or they can use it to improve the lease terms. Their call.
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I think Joe has a point.lol. I doubt the leasing company owner makes less than 150K...lol. Leasing and commercial seems to go against the whole purpose of the Tax Credit. Definitely a "loophole" that probably should be closed.
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