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Old 09-22-2021, 11:44 AM   #99
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Curiously, has anyone tried to just cut a small hole in the old regulator for the new clip? I was thinking of taking a dremel and routing out the hole for the new trim clip, but I wondered if someone else had tried and failed, or someone smarter than me knew why that was a really terrible idea. I figured worst case I'd have to have it replaced, which as of now I'm going to have to do anyhow.
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Old 09-22-2021, 11:45 AM   #100
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How does the trim panel pull out? Is it an upward motion or sideways? thanks
I've pulled mine off straight up.
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:48 PM   #101
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Curiously, has anyone tried to just cut a small hole in the old regulator for the new clip? I was thinking of taking a dremel and routing out the hole for the new trim clip, but I wondered if someone else had tried and failed, or someone smarter than me knew why that was a really terrible idea. I figured worst case I'd have to have it replaced, which as of now I'm going to have to do anyhow.
I did not try that when I replaced mine, I removed the additional retaining clip.

My issue was the arm that holds the spring broke off the trim panel door on the LH side. But, I replaced both sides. I figured if the LH side failed, the RH side, being the old design, would probably fail soon too.

Anyway, after looking at it, you might could drill a pilot hole, then using a Dremel, shape it into a slot for that new 3rd clip. But it's close, I suspect the new regulators are shaped a little differently to accommodate the additional 3rd retaining clip. Regardless, you don't have anything to loose by trying.

I can see how the additional retaining clip gives the quarter trim panel a little more support, but I didn't think I needed the 3rd clip because my issue was the arm the holds the spring broke off the trim panel door.

Photo 1: Yellow circle shows the additional reinforcement on the arm that retains the spring. Green circle is the new 3rd retaining clip.

Photo 2: New quarter upper trim panel installed. Red circle is what remains of the 3rd retaining clip mount.

Photo 3: Regulator panel with the red circle showing about where a slot would be needed to accommodate the new 3rd retaining clip.

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Old 09-22-2021, 05:24 PM   #102
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  • Putting the top down the other day and CCCRRRRUUUNNNCCCHHH!
  • Dropped off at Chevy dealer 9/20.
  • Dealer calls back 9/22 and says "ordered part, should be done EOD today or tomorrow, $850".
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Old 09-27-2021, 01:05 PM   #103
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In scrolling back a couple posts, there’s a 2021 that broke what I’m assuming is the most up to date part. When my 19 sits in the sun, on relatively warm day, both of mine creak and flex as the top goes up. I think it’s inevitable that they’ll both fail at some point. Not the end of the world, but disappointing. At least the parts don’t break the bank and are easy to replace.
Good point. I just saw that in post #86. But after seeing the below from KLG, there has definitely been some reinforcement added in conjunction with one of the part # revisions at some point in time. I was about ready to post a very similar photo. My part just arrived today, having the reinforced spring mount.



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Photo 1: Yellow circle shows the additional reinforcement on the arm that retains the spring.



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My photo follows, showing the old and new parts (of course the spring and mount are gone from the old one, yet to be located!). Will post back if the new design fails!
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Old 10-13-2021, 06:32 PM   #104
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Thanks! I have the trim piece coming in the next few days and will dry making the hole with a dremel and see. We're very well connected to several Chevy dealerships through a family member, and even leaning in for favors, absolutely no assistance from GM on this. Really, really ridiculous on a $50k car with less than 20k miles, but here we are...

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I did not try that when I replaced mine, I removed the additional retaining clip.

My issue was the arm that holds the spring broke off the trim panel door on the LH side. But, I replaced both sides. I figured if the LH side failed, the RH side, being the old design, would probably fail soon too.

Anyway, after looking at it, you might could drill a pilot hole, then using a Dremel, shape it into a slot for that new 3rd clip. But it's close, I suspect the new regulators are shaped a little differently to accommodate the additional 3rd retaining clip. Regardless, you don't have anything to loose by trying.

I can see how the additional retaining clip gives the quarter trim panel a little more support, but I didn't think I needed the 3rd clip because my issue was the arm the holds the spring broke off the trim panel door.

Photo 1: Yellow circle shows the additional reinforcement on the arm that retains the spring. Green circle is the new 3rd retaining clip.

Photo 2: New quarter upper trim panel installed. Red circle is what remains of the 3rd retaining clip mount.

Photo 3: Regulator panel with the red circle showing about where a slot would be needed to accommodate the new 3rd retaining clip.

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Old 12-12-2021, 10:02 PM   #105
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  • Putting the top down the other day and CCCRRRRUUUNNNCCCHHH!
  • Dropped off at Chevy dealer 9/20.
  • Dealer calls back 9/22 and says "ordered part, should be done EOD today or tomorrow, $850".
  • I'll keep you updated.

  • Sorry for my slow update - in the meantime, I've moved from San Jose to Portland. Loving PDX!
  • What I did to screw up my top is that I had a supermarket bag of stuff stored next to my subwoofer behind the vertical seperator under the top. I thought the height was as low as the subwoofer and therefore the top would not hit it. I was wrong - according to the Chevy dealer - and I'm sure they are right. Mea culpa!
  • By impacting 1 side of the top from closing, I broke some stuff.
  • $850 repair - or rather, $850 lesson: be careful about putting any crap behind the vertical separator where the top comes down.

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Old 07-30-2022, 03:14 PM   #106
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Did anyone ever try making a slot in the original regulator for the extra clip?

Nevermind. After taking the panel off my 2017, I found that it has the extra clip and slot in the regulator, but not the reinforcement for the spring.

The tab that gets pushed is on the side of the panel, not in the middle, and that creates torque. If I push in the middle of the sliding panel it easily opens, pushing on the tab makes it want to twist. That seems like another poor choice in this design.

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Old 07-30-2022, 05:34 PM   #107
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Made my own slot

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Did anyone ever try making a slot in the original regulator for the extra clip?

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FWIW. I did create a slot in my regulator to accept the additional clip on my passenger side.

I had actually purchased a new regulator as a replacement, but when I saw how involved it would be to replace it, I decided to create the slot in the old regulator while it was still in the vehicle. If it didn't work, no worries, I'd just replace the regulator, but I felt milling the hole would be quicker and easier.

First I created a cardboard template using the new regulator as a guide. The template is located by the two vertical studs on the top of the reg. I used a sharpie to transfer the slot positions onto the cardboard and an xacto to cut them out.

At the vehicle I lremoved the trim to gain access to the regulator and placed the template over the vertical studs and nuts. Again using a sharpie to "transfer" the position of the new slot to the old regulator. I used a center punch to mark the center of the radii at the ends of the slot and drilled through. I had a shop vac nozzle trained on the bit to pick up loose fragments and chips of metal to minimize risk of them getting into the linkages and elswhere. Still quite messy.

I hogged out the remainder of the slot using a dremel and an appropriate attachments. I made the slot undersize initially and fine-tuned the size with the dremel until I was happy with it.

So far, upon replacing the linkages & rail (all of which were bent to hell), the slider and the closeout panel (which was also broken beyond use), all seems to be working as excpected. I'm sure I have several dozen operations on the top since the repair. I will say the passenger side is silent, the driver's side continues to creak as the top articulates. I'm keeping an eye on it. When the driver's finally side gives up, I plan to use the template again, but upside down...

As a side note, when I replaced the linkage that is attached with two rivets, I used screws and lock nuts. The rivets provided have a larger shank than my rivet tool was able to accomodate. This seemed to be the case unless I wanted to spend $$$ for a more "professional" tool. Less than $10 at the local hardware store for screws and nuts seemed like a better option.
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Old 10-16-2022, 04:23 PM   #108
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Passenger side spring broke off on mine yesterday. May 2017 build date.
Welp, here it is roughly a year later, and the driver side just failed. I should have replaced both last year. Oh well. Here I go again. Got Part # 84797935 on order.
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Old 10-07-2023, 10:53 PM   #109
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Well better than never to the party, well my 2017 Camaro on the driver side broke and today took that top cover off and saw the spring clamp part was broke and that caused the sound I herd and of course the new GM top cover has 3 clips and like others see a few drilling a slot and if that fails I am thinking ordering a new "2016-2023 CHEVY CAMARO REAR LEFT SIDE QUARTER WINDOW REGULATOR W/ MOTOR" and instead of removing and not sure how hard that would be and so far found no video on how to remove those quarter windows regulators, anyone have a video or step by step guide? I am not going to pay GM that much money for a design defect! With a TSB doc GM should cover this!!

My other idea is remove that top metal part that has the 3 holes/slots and replace it with the 2 holes/slots plate? WHY NOT? I see 5 bolts/nuts to remove and that plate should just come up and off and then put the 3 new plate back on?

Anyone done or tried this? Looks like a loctite has been used at least on the top 2 nuts with a yellow paint, like a DON'T REMOVE WARNING, but from what I see that top plate holds the window/regulator in place and before I remove the 2 top nuts and measure with a digital callper and get say 23mm for the left bolt and 24mm on the right and gust set them for that but from the pics that top plate just tighten until it's tight right?

Any thoughts on just replacing the top plate?

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Old 10-11-2023, 11:11 PM   #110
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I guess no one has done to tried to replace just the top plate, instead of replacing the whole Regulator?

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Old 11-06-2023, 07:43 PM   #111
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Well after 6-1/2 years and 9800 miles, my number came up. The springs on both panels popped at the exact same time, one got snagged and broke, and I was able to slide the other in. Ordered both top panels and a pair of pusher arms. Fortunately my build date is May'17 so regulators are not needed.
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Old 11-21-2023, 07:52 PM   #112
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New parts arrived from gmpartsdirect aka flow automotive after a 2 week wait, including a few days extra for VIN & part # verification. My failures were identical to what Argus shows above. Removed the broken bits and reinstalled the new without issue.

Back on the road and making lots of smiles per mile!

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