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Old 09-15-2021, 06:07 AM   #351
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The odds you post are if you are a documented case. The total population of people ages 50-59 is ~600,000. Your chances of dying from COVID are 476/600,000 = 0.08%. Weight and physical condition strongly affect your chances so even that estimate is high.

I'm in the 50-59 range also. I am vaccinated and encourage others to be. If I were below 40, or planned to have children, I might view it differently.
That’s a fair and good point although not all of that 600,000 has gotten sick yet and some percentage of them will (especially if not vaccinated). Those could end up in the hospital or dead so the “chance” is somewhere in between the two numbers presented.

Like you, I chose to be vaccinated but don’t feel it should be mandated.
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Old 09-15-2021, 06:49 AM   #352
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That’s a fair and good point although not all of that 600,000 has gotten sick yet and some percentage of them will (especially if not vaccinated). Those could end up in the hospital or dead so the “chance” is somewhere in between the two numbers presented.
All of the 600,000 (50-59) have been at risk at the same time as those that have gotten sick. They either did, or did not but they were in the pool.

Many more of those 600,000 did contract COVID but were not sick enough to bother getting tested to become a confirmed documented case. WI shows case numbers that are only 13% of the population. The actual number must be double or triple that so the odds are even more in your favor.

The initial caution with COVID made sense. Within three months it was already clear that this wasn't a "Bird Box" (movie) pandemic. I resumed normal life as soon as I could in August 2020 and have never felt at risk because I understood the data and am very fit. Its become a narrative that some don't want to let go of IMO.

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Like you, I chose to be vaccinated but don’t feel it should be mandated.
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Old 09-15-2021, 07:05 AM   #353
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Ok, either side of the debate, does anyone really think this is like the "standard" FLU?

Serious question.
Honest answer, who knows. The media makes COVID-19 out to be the world ending disease. People who have had it rank from, “I didn’t know I had it” to reading an obituary about them and everything in between. The sensationalism of it all is what is the most messed up. We hear only about the people dying and how many people are getting sick, but NEVER about how many people are recovering and back to normal life afterwards or how many people didn’t even have “that bad” of cases. If it bleeds it leads is the mantra of the media and people doing well doesn’t sell headlines.

After a few years of studying what the effects are on people and if there’s any long term issues from having COVID I think we will get an idea of whether or not this was something that is more or less worse than a “standard flu”. However, at this point, like the scientists always say, “there’s inconclusive results to support or disprove a hypothesis”.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:30 AM   #354
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the article you posted is over a year old...?
The point is the numbers game....

The "sleight of hand" game they play with the numbers to be able to print what they want and be "accurate".


And, as to the age, they've been doing it for OVER a year now. It's not something that happened with this current article.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:52 AM   #355
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Ok, either side of the debate, does anyone really think this is like the "standard" FLU?

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Standard? NO. "Standardish"? Yes.

If it were like Ebola, or something similar, than I'd say the freak out would be warranted.

A 98%+ survival rate is really good. Find a casino with those odds and see how many people would be in line...

Conversely, what people don't understand is that eventually you will get it. You WILL be infected by it. (unless you live on a permanently isolated island).

You can't wear a N95/surgical mask 24/7. You can't wash enough. Transmission can be slowed down perhaps, but it can't be stopped.
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Old 09-15-2021, 05:49 PM   #356
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Old 09-15-2021, 05:55 PM   #357
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What is the difference between Influenza (Flu) and COVID-19?
Influenza (flu) and COVID-19 are both contagious respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses. COVID-19 is caused by infection with a coronavirus first identified in 2019, and flu is caused by infection with influenza viruses.

COVID-19 seems to spread more easily than flu. However, as more people become fully vaccinated against COVID-19, the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19 should slow down. More information is available about COVID-19 vaccines and how well they work.

Compared to flu, COVID-19 can cause more serious illnesses in some people. COVID-19 can also take longer before people show symptoms and people can be contagious for longer. More information about differences between flu and COVID-19 is available in the different sections below.

Because some of the symptoms of flu, COVID-19, and other respiratory illnesses are similar, the difference between them cannot be made based on symptoms alone. Testing is needed to tell what the illness is and to confirm a diagnosis. People can be infected with both flu and the virus that causes COVID-19 at the same time and have symptoms of both influenza and COVID-19.

While more is learned every day about COVID-19 and the virus that causes it, there are still things, such as post-COVID conditions, that are unknown. This page compares COVID-19 and flu, given the best available information to date.
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Old 09-15-2021, 06:04 PM   #358
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Ok, either side of the debate, does anyone really think this is like the "standard" FLU?

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Coronavirus vs. Flu Deaths

COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.

The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.

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Old 09-15-2021, 08:25 PM   #359
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:53 PM   #360
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A couple of observations:

This Covid thing had man’s hand in its creation. Don’t expect it to behave quite like one God made. Now or going forward.

The Bubonic Plague made sporadic, regional comebacks over the course of 300 years! Don’t assume this ends on anyone’s timeline.

Stay healthy, my Camaro friends.
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:18 PM   #361
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Here's an interesting article and just reinforces my thoughts on these vaccines:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moderna-a...223130015.html
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Old 09-15-2021, 10:59 PM   #362
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Ok, either side of the debate, does anyone really think this is like the "standard" FLU?

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From personal experience, I have had a worse flu bout than my Covid bout. The biggest difference for me was the loss of taste and smell. My symptoms lasted about 3 days with only registering one day of a slight fever. The loss of taste and smell was a little longer at about 7 days and that was actually the worse part of it.
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Old 09-16-2021, 08:42 AM   #363
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From personal experience, I have had a worse flu bout than my Covid bout. The biggest difference for me was the loss of taste and smell. My symptoms lasted about 3 days with only registering one day of a slight fever. The loss of taste and smell was a little longer at about 7 days and that was actually the worse part of it.
Also from my personal experience, I did have loss of smell and taste ,even to this day some things are not the same ..like lemon juice is not as strong to me as it used to be .Also my fever got to 105 and the chills were the worse I think ever had .that was back in December.
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Old 09-16-2021, 09:08 AM   #364
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...smell and taste ,even to this day some things are not the same ...
Same here.
Feeling in hands is less too and i drop a lot of stuff. Doc thinks some light nerve damage maybe. Probably not becoming a diamond cutter was a good career move.
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