[mariojas]

Originally Posted by F1rob

. So yes, an oil change will be $230.00 plus 12% tax, not including the $33.00 they raped me for, to buy a PF64 filter.

That is truly rape You could get that filter for $3.60 online.
I paid 10 at local store and questioned my decision.

[arpad_m]

Hard to believe all these minuscule changes in the formulation of the same oil would even matter when one changes their oil every 3-5k miles... the only understandable reason to prefer Mobil 1 is the warranty IMO.

[F1rob]

Originally Posted by mariojas

That is truly rape You could get that filter for $3.60 online.
I paid 10 at local store and questioned my decision.

Yes, i know these are a lot cheaper in the U.S., but shipping to Canada would then nullify the cheaper price.

Good for you guys, bad for us up North! Not to mention, we pay $9.85/gallon for premium on the West Coast!!!!!

Rob

[F1rob]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Hard to believe all these minuscule changes in the formulation of the same oil would even matter when one changes their oil every 3-5k miles... the only understandable reason to prefer Mobil 1 is the warranty IMO.

You are right! The whole motivation right now is to maintain the warranty - GM spec'd(and ideally supplied) lubricant, and ACDelco filter.

Our previous Ford Explorer had a motor issue - an engine knock that occurred from about 30 seconds after start-up, until about 3 mins into the warm-up cycle. I battled with the dealer that this was not right, until they finally pulled the motor and found an incorrectly installed wrist pin on rod #6 that was seized. The cockroach service manager gave me a hard time, and wanted to deny the claim, since it had a Fram filter on it. It was only after one of his tech's "accidentally" told me this was not a related issue, did he back down. In the end, they replaced the short-block under warranty.

Since then, use the factory stuff, and then once the warranty is expired, i will be less concerned about buying their over-priced stuff.

Rob

[minn19]

Originally Posted by F1rob

You are right! The whole motivation right now is to maintain the warranty - GM spec'd(and ideally supplied) lubricant, and ACDelco filter.

Our previous Ford Explorer had a motor issue - an engine knock that occurred from about 30 seconds after start-up, until about 3 mins into the warm-up cycle. I battled with the dealer that this was not right, until they finally pulled the motor and found an incorrectly installed wrist pin on rod #6 that was seized. The cockroach service manager gave me a hard time, and wanted to deny the claim, since it had a Fram filter on it. It was only after one of his tech's "accidentally" told me this was not a related issue, did he back down. In the end, they replaced the short-block under warranty.

Since then, use the factory stuff, and then once the warranty is expired, i will be less concerned about buying their over-priced stuff.

Rob

Ford sucks period on customer service or trying every step to get out of honoring their warranties. Unfortunately with the times they aren’t the only ones and things are getting worse in that regard. After my battles with them over my previous GT350s, some weirdness with past F-150s and being a fleet manager dealing with shitty Fusions I’m done with that company.

The thing I never can figure out though is why a dealership service manager would deny guaranteed paid warranty work. The only things I can think of is that their shop is either overworked or they get kickbacks from Ford to keep warranty work down. Especially big jobs like this.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by minn19

Ford sucks period on customer service or trying every step to get out of honoring their warranties. Unfortunately with the times they aren’t the only ones and things are getting worse in that regard. After my battles with them over my previous GT350s, some weirdness with past F-150s and being a fleet manager dealing with shitty Fusions I’m done with that company.

The thing I never can figure out though is why a dealership service manager would deny guaranteed paid warranty work. The only things I can think of is that their shop is either overworked or they get kickbacks from Ford to keep warranty work down. Especially big jobs like this.

Warranty repairs are paid by the factory, not the dealership. Factory requires validation that it falls under the terms.

Additionally, warranty repairs are often flat-fee with little margin for the dealership. They make far more money by charging you for all parts and all labor against their margins.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ember1205

Warranty repairs are paid by the factory, not the dealership. Factory requires validation that it falls under the terms.

Additionally, warranty repairs are often flat-fee with little margin for the dealership. They make far more money by charging you for all parts and all labor against their margins.

I know all of this and I still know dealerships usually love warranty work as it is a guaranteed revenue stream. Something else is up for a service manager(s) to work this hard and be willing to create some serious negative attention for their dealership/brand. Especially on a case where it is clearly a job that falls under the manufacturer warranty.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by minn19

I know all of this and I still know dealerships usually love warranty work as it is a guaranteed revenue stream. Something else is up for a service manager(s) to work this hard and be willing to create some serious negative attention for their dealership/brand. Especially on a case where it is clearly a job that falls under the manufacturer warranty.

It depends on the warranty job. Very involved things are much more lucrative for the dealership because they can recommend all kinds of "while we have it apart" items. They have to be a little more careful about doing that along with warranty jobs because the factory doesn't always want them working on "other" items against what they are paying for labor time.

There's a LOT of variables that go into the whole process and there's no way to provide any kind of broad stroked answer for this sort of thing. In the end, some dealerships just suck.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ember1205

It depends on the warranty job. Very involved things are much more lucrative for the dealership because they can recommend all kinds of "while we have it apart" items. They have to be a little more careful about doing that along with warranty jobs because the factory doesn't always want them working on "other" items against what they are paying for labor time.

There's a LOT of variables that go into the whole process and there's no way to provide any kind of broad stroked answer for this sort of thing. In the end, some dealerships just suck.

Gotcha, definitely agreed with the last sentence.

[EDFHOBBIES]

More expensive but I'm gonna switch to this! Ash % sameas esp. Looks to have better wear additives.

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by F1rob

we pay $9.85/gallon for premium on the West Coast!!!!!

:face palm:

$4.29 Detroit Area Costco Gas

[minn19]

What are peoples thoughts on Redline? I used there gear oil and MT transmission oil in my 19 ZLE and really liked how the MT shifting/transmission felt afterwards. I’ve never used there engine oil though.

[Heartbreaker]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I'm running Amsoil Signature

+1

[EDFHOBBIES]

Originally Posted by Heartbreaker

+1

Look up ASH percentage (low saps) of Amsoil it's 1.2 or higher.. then do a search about ash% and DI motors and you will see why a low or mid ash oil from .0 to .8 is important and why not to use 1.0 and greater in a DI car. A lot people think the ash % just has an affect on emmision parts which is true bit it also effects DI intake valves.

Amsoil is great best wear protection, best TBN of like 13 if I recall for longer intervals but it's ash/ saps are to high.

You are never going to exceed what mobil 1 esp can protect against and your never going to go double the oil change life recommended intervals!!!!!

Why screw with a high sap/ash oil?

You can Cleary see the amsoil email states it's greater than 1.0 it does meet dexos 2 in 99% of dexos certifications but 1 (low saps ash %) and its not on the list.

If any one should run Amsoil it it's me!