Went and looked at a new 6th Gen.........

[2010reddevil]

Yeah the 20s fixed a lot of the ugliness GM decided was cool on the 19s. I still prefer the 16 to 18 front end though, I don't like the tail lights, too much of a Vette copy cat imo. ��*♂️ That's why I like the 10 to 13 and 19 up tails, they have their own look. Rallye Green Metallic is a gorgeous color and is what sold me on that body style. That and Satin Steel.

[lbls1]

You should always look to get the best bargain out there, so I would keep looking. Unfortunately, the price is what it is. The company will not sell a Camaro below a certain price point new. We will all need to get used to the fact that our beloved v8 Camaro's days are numbered. Chevrolet should do all it can to spur sales so at the least it will give them something to consider when planning a next generation....if it happens.

[lemontwist]

IMO gm could have and should have found ways to freshen up the 5th gens somehow but when the mustang started outselling the camaro in 2015 they panicked. dodge has been able to keep the challenger going with minimal changes to the body and interior for over 10 years now.
the gen 2's had a 11 year run,gen 3's 10 years and gen 4 9 years.

[mikeman]

Originally Posted by lemontwist

IMO gm could have and should have found ways to freshen up the 5th gens somehow but when the mustang started outselling the camaro in 2015 they panicked. dodge has been able to keep the challenger going with minimal changes to the body and interior for over 10 years now.
the gen 2's had a 11 year run,gen 3's 10 years and gen 4 9 years.

They did, but they only kept the refresh for 2 years.

The Zeta platform was borrowed from Holden as a stop gap measure because they didn't have anything that could underpin the new 5th gen Camaro. GM got short-sighted and lazy enjoying the lucrative profits of the SUV/truck craze. The bankruptcy that led to the bailout didn't help either.

When the Alpha platform came along, they decided to go with the new 6th generation. I'm thinking it was the other way around though. Instead of having the Camaro share the Alpha platform with Cadillac to reduce development costs, I think it was having Cadillac share the platform with the Camaro to reduce development costs.

That ultimately led to the decision to cut short the old Zeta based 5th gen production and go with the 6th gen.

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by lemontwist

IMO gm could have and should have found ways to freshen up the 5th gens somehow but when the mustang started outselling the camaro in 2015 they panicked. dodge has been able to keep the challenger going with minimal changes to the body and interior for over 10 years now.
the gen 2's had a 11 year run,gen 3's 10 years and gen 4 9 years.

They made a great car with the 6th Gen. Comparing my 18 1SS to the 2011 2SS I had, I wouldn't go back. Of course, engineering and building the car, raised the prices, but show me a performance car that this doesn't happen on a redesign.

The only reason Dodge saw a jump in the past few months was due to the horsepower rebates, getting nearly 5 grand of a Scat Pack, sure, a lot of folks traded out of their R/T's at that time. However, set aside the Widebodies and the Hellcats, and it's not enthusiasts that are buying those Dodge cars, they're all wannabe's. But again, Dodge is a much lesser car, no question. As is the Mustang. The Gen 6 Camaro is as close to Corvette performance as the Camaro has ever been.

For this transaction, though, looking for a big discount on a 2020 anything at the end of 2019, is not likely. The manufacturer's are helping dealer's move the '19's with dealer incentives. Dealer's need to move the '19's because of their banks that hold the note on their inventory. One way to do that is to hold firm on the new MY to persuade the customer to take the discount on the older one.

[StreetRage320]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

They made a great car with the 6th Gen. Comparing my 18 1SS to the 2011 2SS I had, I wouldn't go back. Of course, engineering and building the car, raised the prices, but show me a performance car that this doesn't happen on a redesign.

The only reason Dodge saw a jump in the past few months was due to the horsepower rebates, getting nearly 5 grand of a Scat Pack, sure, a lot of folks traded out of their R/T's at that time. However, set aside the Widebodies and the Hellcats, and it's not enthusiasts that are buying those Dodge cars, they're all wannabe's. But again, Dodge is a much lesser car, no question. As is the Mustang. The Gen 6 Camaro is as close to Corvette performance as the Camaro has ever been.

For this transaction, though, looking for a big discount on a 2020 anything at the end of 2019, is not likely. The manufacturer's are helping dealer's move the '19's with dealer incentives. Dealer's need to move the '19's because of their banks that hold the note on their inventory. One way to do that is to hold firm on the new MY to persuade the customer to take the discount on the older one.

I was surprised that GuitarmageddonZL1 (youtuber and member here on C5/C6) had a 2013 ZL1 and 2018 ZL1 and just sold the 2018 and kept the 2013. Said it was a tough choice though..

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by StreetRage320

I was surprised that GuitarmageddonZL1 (youtuber and member here on C5/C6) had a 2013 ZL1 and 2018 ZL1 and just sold the 2018 and kept the 2013. Said it was a tough choice though..

I'm sure it was. I do love the 5th Gen '10-'13 look, it was definitely a home run, and they too, are great cars. I can also completely understand the preference some have for the 5th Gen. I agree that the 6th Gen took the perception of the Camaro from muscle car to sports car.

I was just responding to the idea that they made a mistake with the 6th Gen. I don't think it was a design mistake, so much as a marketing mistake, as in almost no marketing of the car.

[Farmboy]

Originally Posted by 2010reddevil

That is exactly the point I made to the salesperson. It's ridiculous to consider a regular SS vs a clean and low mileage ZL1 5th Gen. I just looked and the ZL1s in my area are about 11k cheaper in price...... Lmao!

Good used one is always the way yo go if it suits you.

[lemontwist]

i find a clean low mile ZL1 is mid 30's low to mid 40's for real low mi. a higher mi example is high 20's.
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/2G1FZ1EP5D9807419
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/2G1FS1EP6C9801745
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/2G1FZ1EP5D9804682
i'm asking who has the highest mile ZL1? will they go 100k mi?
actually i just talked myself out of getting 1,i daily my SS a ZL1 may be a bit much for basically back and forth to work.....i took the long way tonight and went thru mexico she got in to the triple digits pretty quick by third gear. i'm good for now.the NA 6.2 is pretty dam good!

[Tony Camaro]

That $47k tag is for the 2020 1SS. The 2020 1LS starts at around $27k, but I know what you mean. I saw a clean af 2013 ZL1 with around 40k miles on it a couple months ago with carbon fiber parts on it and 750+ rwhp for $40k. And GM wonders why current-year camaros aren't selling...

[2010reddevil]

Originally Posted by Tony Camaro

That $47k tag is for the 2020 1SS. The 2020 1LS starts at around $27k, but I know what you mean. I saw a clean af 2013 ZL1 with around 40k miles on it a couple months ago with carbon fiber parts on it and 750+ rwhp for $40k. And GM wonders why current-year camaros aren't selling...

Actually, the 1SS I went to originally look at was only 36k. Had only just a couple options, NPP and 10spd. It was a 2SS that was @ 47k. I still don't think it's worth 8k over a GT Premium, that's just me. Maybe 1 to 2k but since the Mustang is faster, both drive pretty well and the Mustang is literally 8k less than a similarly equipped SS, it's history repeating itself all over again.......

[mikeman]

Originally Posted by lemontwist

i find a clean low mile ZL1 is mid 30's low to mid 40's for real low mi. a higher mi example is high 20's.
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/2G1FZ1EP5D9807419
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/2G1FS1EP6C9801745
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/2G1FZ1EP5D9804682
i'm asking who has the highest mile ZL1? will they go 100k mi?
actually i just talked myself out of getting 1,i daily my SS a ZL1 may be a bit much for basically back and forth to work.....i took the long way tonight and went thru mexico she got in to the triple digits pretty quick by third gear. i'm good for now.the NA 6.2 is pretty dam good!

With all of the heavy duty drivetrain parts that come standard on the ZL1, I would think it should last at least 100K miles or more. Unless of course, it was raced at the track every single weekend or something.

I would have no hesitation buying a higher mileage ZL1. If the maintenance was done correctly and it was taken care of, no problem. The only thing I could think of failing or wearing out at higher mileage would be rotor lobe and pulley snout bearings. A S/C rebuild might be needed then, but that comes with the territory with any boosted car.

[lemontwist]

Originally Posted by mikeman

With all of the heavy duty drivetrain parts that come standard on the ZL1, I would think it should last at least 100K miles or more. Unless of course, it was raced at the track every single weekend or something.

I would have no hesitation buying a higher mileage ZL1. If the maintenance was done correctly and it was taken care of, no problem. The only thing I could think of failing or wearing out at higher mileage would be rotor lobe and pulley snout bearings. A S/C rebuild might be needed then, but that comes with the territory with any boosted car.

the answer is in look over 100k mi
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...mp2&CMP=stemp2

and i want this i think it would make my wife would be very unhappy
36k with less than 5000 i owner miles
https://www.cosmomotorsonline.com/de...0e9802310.html

[ariZona28]

This picture says it all. Sure, I give up 150HP to ZL1 but the styling of the Gen 5 is superior IMO. 6 also has to many creases and sharp points in body styling. I do LOVE the 650HP LT 4 and if I owned one I would be VERY happy, but I prefer the overall package of my Z/28 and the Gen 5 in general. Let the debate continue.