[big dave]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

10.6 is a hero pass not it's rated 1/4 mile

What is considered a "hero" pass? Does that mean it can't be duplicated? I don't think the pass was made in negative da, I'm sure it'll run quicker than 10.4 when others start racing these cars in optimum conditions. Evan Smith is definitely a great driver, but if he didn't do anything special to the car, his times will be matched and beaten.

Rated times don't mean squat.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by big dave

What is considered a "hero" pass? Does that mean it can't be duplicated? I don't think the pass was made in negative da, I'm sure it'll run quicker than 10.4 when others start racing these cars in optimum conditions. Evan Smith is definitely a great driver, but if he didn't do anything special to the car, his times will be matched and beaten.

Rated times don't mean squat.

I will see your 10.4 and raise to 10.6. I will bet that not one of these gt500 STOCK will break 10.6. I will bet that we rarely if ever see any driver reach a 10.6 1/4 mile as long as the car is stock on stock tires no matter the condition. I believe that this 10.6 is the equivalent to the Demons 9.65 or what ever it was. I think the put out the hero run of hero runs. You tube guy RP was at the press release and he ran an 11.2 ( he was a beginner on the strip) but his was the FASTEST of anyone's! 100 extra hp for 300 extra pounds...a launch control delay issue...all im sayn is ill believe it when i see it!

[big dave]

Originally Posted by Boo

I will see your 10.4 and raise to 10.6. I will bet that not one of these gt500 STOCK will break 10.6. I will bet that we rarely if ever see any driver reach a 10.6 1/4 mile as long as the car is stock on stock tires no matter the condition. I believe that this 10.6 is the equivalent to the Demons 9.65 or what ever it was. I think the put out the hero run of hero runs. You tube guy RP was at the press release and he ran an 11.2 ( he was a beginner on the strip) but his was the FASTEST of anyone's! 100 extra hp for 300 extra pounds...a launch control delay issue...all im sayn is ill believe it when i see it!

Youtuber 'StangMode' ran 10.9, and another guy ran 10.85 @ 131.7 at the same Vegas event in 2500' da.

As for the Demon, their claimed time was run under the most perfect conditions. The time seemed impossible to match but a local guy here beat their time, but wasn't using the stock Nittos. He was using MTs if I remember correctly

I remember reading a lot of claims that the ZL1 would not run quicker than 11.4s, or it would be impossible to beat a 1.75 60' because of the TM...

It's going to take some time and multiple passes, but the GT500 will make some impressive passes...if the owners decide take them out of their mothballs. lol

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by Revalot

Let me say 1st, I love my ZL1/1LE and the only car that I love more is my 1972 chevelle with a 6.0 that I still plan on turbo charging. The New GT500 was tested on the 1/4, 10.60 at 130 mph, that's great and faster than a Z06 LT4 auto. The performance world is on fire ! It's great for the market, And maybe a LT5 will come down the pipe line. Or a Z06 with 750+ Then a ZR1, But I'm good with my car.

The Gt500 in the hands of the mass public will be running 11 flat to 10.8 imo. The 10.6 was a hero run. The 10 speed auto ZL1 will be hurt big time in the stock 1/4 mile wars. As I surmised 6 months ago, The ZL1 needs the LT5 infusion with the 10speed auto and at least a 3.27 rear gear.

[2018 ZL1]

There were two dealers here that each had one open allocation and I tried to buy one.

Me: How much?

Sales: $50K over sticker.

Me: Good bye.

Sales: Wait, how much over sticker would you pay?

Me: Nothing, good bye.

The other dealer wanted $15K over sticker. They may get it, but not from me.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

The $65,000 6th gen ZL1 that became available to the public over 2 years ago was never meant to compete with a 2020 740+ HP DCT GT500. Period. The fact that it still does and will compete, especially around a road course, is a testament, not a takeaway. Plus, the GT500's street price of likely $85,000-$100,000 is going to make the ZL1 even more of a bargain buy when a few grand in mods will put you over the GT500's HP with less weight. I would still put my money on the handling of the alpha gen Camaro anyways. In my book, the ZL1/ZLE is still the best performance car on the market in the <$175,000 club. The only car that competes for the title is its brethren, the Corvette.

Impressive to see a pony car going 10.6 out of the box. But let's face it, for $80,000 new or mid 60's preowned, an A8 Z06 runs 10.5-11.0 all day as well, no hero passes, and it came out 4 years ago. So what's really new? I guess I will wait for some VIR/'Ring/Seca/COTA times to come in before making my final judgement.

Though I may be a biased GM guy, I think the info I presented above is all fact.

[Gunkk]

+1 to all that, and it was 3 years ago.... Q4 2016.


C7 Z06 was 2015.... 4 years ago.

Congrats Ford on catching up to four years ago.

[CruisintheCountryLife]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

The $65,000 6th gen ZL1 that became available to the public over 2 years ago was never meant to compete with a 2020 740+ HP DCT GT500. Period. The fact that it still does and will compete, especially around a round course, is a testament, not a takeaway. Plus, the GT500's street price of likely $85,000-$100,000 is going to make the ZL1 still a bargain buy when a few grand in mods will put you over the GT500's HP with less weight. I would still put my money on the handling of the alpha gen Camaro anyways. In my book, the ZL1/ZLE is still the best performance car on the market in the <$175,000 club. The only car that competes for the title is its brethren, the Corvette.

Impressive to see a pony car going 10.6 out of the box. But let's face it, for $80,000 new or mid 60's preowned, an A8 Z06 runs 10.5-11.0 all day as well. So what's really new? I guess I will wait for some VIR/'Ring/Seca/COTA times to come in before making my final judgement.

Though I may be a biased GM guy, I think the info I presented above is all fact.

No joke! For the money, a used C7 Z06 or a ZL1 cannot be beat!

[Scottyz]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

The $65,000 6th gen ZL1 that became available to the public over 2 years ago was never meant to compete with a 2020 740+ HP DCT GT500. Period. The fact that it still does and will compete, especially around a round course, is a testament, not a takeaway. Plus, the GT500's street price of likely $85,000-$100,000 is going to make the ZL1 still a bargain buy when a few grand in mods will put you over the GT500's HP with less weight. I would still put my money on the handling of the alpha gen Camaro anyways. In my book, the ZL1/ZLE is still the best performance car on the market in the <$175,000 club. The only car that competes for the title is its brethren, the Corvette.

Impressive to see a pony car going 10.6 out of the box. But let's face it, for $80,000 new or mid 60's preowned, an A8 Z06 runs 10.5-11.0 all day as well. So what's really new? I guess I will wait for some VIR/'Ring/Seca/COTA times to come in before making my final judgement.

Though I may be a biased GM guy, I think the info I presented above is all fact.

100% agree.
Period.

[kwav8r]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

The $65,000 6th gen ZL1 that became available to the public over 2 years ago was never meant to compete with a 2020 740+ HP DCT GT500. Period. The fact that it still does and will compete, especially around a round course, is a testament, not a takeaway. Plus, the GT500's street price of likely $85,000-$100,000 is going to make the ZL1 still a bargain buy when a few grand in mods will put you over the GT500's HP with less weight. I would still put my money on the handling of the alpha gen Camaro anyways. In my book, the ZL1/ZLE is still the best performance car on the market in the <$175,000 club. The only car that competes for the title is its brethren, the Corvette.

Impressive to see a pony car going 10.6 out of the box. But let's face it, for $80,000 new or mid 60's preowned, an A8 Z06 runs 10.5-11.0 all day as well. So what's really new? I guess I will wait for some VIR/'Ring/Seca/COTA times to come in before making my final judgement.

Though I may be a biased GM guy, I think the info I presented above is all fact.

There needs to be a 'mike drop' emoji (or whatever the hell you call'em) for this post.

Well said.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by big dave

What is considered a "hero" pass? Does that mean it can't be duplicated? I don't think the pass was made in negative da, I'm sure it'll run quicker than 10.4 when others start racing these cars in optimum conditions. Evan Smith is definitely a great driver, but if he didn't do anything special to the car, his times will be matched and beaten.

Rated times don't mean squat.

Just like your pass for the ZL1

[big dave]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Just like your pass for the ZL1

Call it what you want. Though I didn't back up my 10.99, I do have several 11.0s with a couple 11.00s and .01s at other tracks. 17CamaroZL1 has gone faster and I'm sure there are others that just don't post their times. 10 seconds stock for these cars should not be that unattainable in the right conditions. I'm a heavyweight which has kept me from making multiple 10 second runs for sure.

[Rodan]

There are two types of acceleration stats: typical magazine numbers, which are generated with 'stick-on' or GPS equipment and usually on unprepped (low traction) surfaces; and 'hero' times, generated on prepped dragstrips using every trick in the book to get every possible bit of performance out of the car. I'd put owner times in the 'hero' category, especially those at the top of the fast lists, because they're trying to get the most out of their cars.

The 10.6 run by Evan Smith was a hero run: prepped strip rental day with all day to play with launch RPM, tire pressure, etc. He states in the video it was a shallow stage (more runout) run. It also appears to be a pre-production car, since the pass was made in April.

Given the same treatment, the ZL1 will do 11.0-10.9, though I'm sure the GT500 will run low 10s at the hero tracks like Atco with mineshaft weather. No question it's fast in a straight line.

Back in the real world, I played with the GT500 build on Ford's site for a while this morning. To get it comparably equipped to a 'base' ZL1, it's about $77k... and that's without Recaros. The stock seats are heated/cooled/memory, but I can't find anything that says the GT500 Recaros are, so it appears you go backwards with them.

Of course, that's also without ADM.

IMHO, the GT500 is definitely fast in a straight line. Lap times have yet to be determined. But it's still going to have a cheap ass looking Mustang interior, without some of the features that are standard on the ZL1. For a lot more $$$.

I think Ford is underestimating what people are going to want in a car in the $80-100k bracket.

[17CamaroZL1]

I still don't understand why some don't count what they call hero runs. They would rather go with the middle of the road times. Those middle of the road times almost always have some less than optimal condition that landed that time there, whether it is a high elevation, hot air, slick track, or improper car setup/driving. You know the best times have all of that nearly perfect, so the times better reflect each car's potential, therefore giving a better comparison.

I've not seen what kind of DA the 10.6 GT500 had, but I highly doubt it was -, so I expect to see some 10.4s or even better from it as the temps continue to drop.