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The Camaro has amazing potential, as I'm sure you know, but it's no GT3. It is surprisingly close to GT4s though.
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05-08-2021, 08:39 PM | #240 | |
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i think some track time is the best way for me to get to the bottom of it... and also maybe keep the Camaro for a while. if i find myself never wanting to drive it because the new car is plenty fun, then maybe i'll sell it. thanks for the input! no doubt the GT3s are iconic for good reason .. hopefully my allocation offer becomes something i can live with.
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05-09-2021, 08:25 AM | #241 |
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There's is a huge price difference from the GT4 compared to the lower priced SS1LE, not on the same price league, instead you should compare the GT4 to the performance of the ZL1 1LE, that makes more sense.
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05-09-2021, 11:49 AM | #242 | |
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well I have an SS1LE and not a ZL1 or ZLE.. also not looking at pure performance but also playful nature and handling feel. There have been some folks who think the added supercharger weight etc causes a (?small) penalty in feel ... I know it’s not apples to apples ... there is never a truly “fair comparison” bc there’s always something that messes it up. SS1LE vs GT4 has similarities such as NA motor that the ZL1/ZLE do not. Price aside, I think the GT4 and SS1LE are better matched. Choosing a car is a very subjective experience though so of course YMMV. The ZL1 and ZLE are also very much cars that I have considered but I think right now they’re lower on my list compared to the GT4, GT3 and C8 Z06
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05-09-2021, 12:29 PM | #243 | |
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If rumors of the Z06 starting at $80k are accurate that's a bit more realistic for my price range and it's going to be faster vs the GT3, with a 9k rpm redline FPC V8 and 8-sp DCT. But I've never even been in a C8 yet so IDK. Someone just got a vid of C8 Z06 launching, it sounds like the C8R race car. I've been considering investing in a track-only car for autox and time attack, so I have to make that decision... if I go that route my budget for cars will be spoken for, lol. It's a good time to love sports cars, lots of great choices at all different price ranges! You can't go wrong I think, GT3, Turbo or Z06 are all going to be amazing cars.
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05-09-2021, 07:49 PM | #244 | |
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all this talk is kinda useless without A) knowing enough about the Z06 and B) not having driven any of these cars yet if all i cared about was lap times i'd for sure just go get a ZLE and call it a day, haha!
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05-09-2021, 10:29 PM | #245 | |
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People vastly underestimate the 718 chassis and there's a reason it makes the best-of almost every year. If you're on a 60 second course, it's not the GT3, the GT4 or any of that. It's mostly the driver and largely the tires/pressure. Driving correctly on a 60 second course saves tons of time and the car isn't nearly as much of an advantage. If the Miata's aren't kicking your a$$, then something is wrong. With what I've experienced personally, I wouldn't be going for a GT3 unless I was going to do big-track racing. Otherwise, a GT4 will still do amazing at big-track racing, but if smaller tracks and day to day fun is a priority, that's a sweeter spot, or just get a 911 2S or GTS if you can swing it. Again, people vastly underestimate how capable cars are, but on smaller tracks, it's not the car.
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05-09-2021, 10:38 PM | #246 |
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Performance wise, they are very close, the GT4 and SS1LE. The GT3 is much closer to the ZL1 1LE in terms of performance. Looking at lap times. That's a little deceiving though, because both GM cars punch so far above their pricepoint. Comparing to porsche is kind of non-sequitur too, since porsche has throughout history punched far above it's own weight class, compared to exotics like ferarri and lamborghini. So using porsche as your only measure doesn't quite work out when comparing against cars that cost the same amount.
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05-13-2021, 06:39 PM | #248 |
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Sorry, I haven't been on here lately.
I just got an allocation on a GT4 for a Sept. build and a Nov. / Dec. delivery. I don't have my code handy, but the highlights are... GT Silver, PDK, PCCB's, standard seats (didn't want the carbon buckets as it will be a daily for me and getting out of them is a PITA), extended leather w/ silver contrast stitching, leather steering wheel & gear lever, carbon fiber trim interior, guard red instrument dials, sport chrono package, Bose , Apple CarPlay. I am missing a few things, but those are the main highlights. Whether you are interested in a GT4 or C8 Z06, the big issue right now is getting one. The 4.0 ,motor on the 718's had a recall for 2021, so with that and the current chip shortage, allocations have been scarce for a GT4. I have been waiting for 4 mths now for an allocation and finally got one just yesterday. The C8 Z06 has my interest as well, however it will be hard to get one for quite a while and the ADM's on them I think will be insane for at least a year, maybe longer depending on the supply chain and chip shortage situation. This is not the best time to be looking for a sports car.
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06-01-2021, 10:27 AM | #249 | |
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I went from a 981 GT4 to a ZLE. Both fantastic cars. I'm not a pro driver so take that into account, I've taken a high performance driving course but that's it so I think I'm kinda in the average/decent class. ZLE is faster in a straight line. My experience is mainly ripping around mountain roads. GT4 turns like a scalpel, feels and sounds like a race car. ZLE is definitely more brute force, but I think more fun. ZLE is a surprisingly nice car compared to the Porsche with nicer toys like PDR. 981 GT4 is very purpose built and bare bones but has a gorgeous interior. If you start bringing price into the conversation there is no comparison, ZLE is superior.
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03-08-2022, 10:11 PM | #252 | |
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Get your car yet? What do you think?
I just ordered one today with a June delivery. Doing buckets and manual trans .. i want it to feel like an occasion and also feel great on the track. PDK is better for the track for sure but i always tend to get bored with PDK/DCT on the street (eg: boxster 718S, M6 gran coupe, M3) .. the manual is like a fidget spinner for me, i've concluded. I tried to order PCCB but they're not available anymore for whatever reason. steels will work just fine. i've driven my 718S boxster at a couple track days but looking forward to driving the GT4 in anger .. hoping to get it before my VIR trip this summer. i'm sure taking cost into the equation, the SS1LE will remain my all time favorite smiles/performance per dollar car for track days, but after having a couple i just wanted something different. cheers. Quote:
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