[Boost Creep]

Lagging sales had nothing to do with the Camaros design, and everything to do with marketing.

GM just doesn't want to admit they have the worst marketing in automotive history.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Torquem

Refreshes are always controversial. That being said, I immediately liked the 16 refresh on the Camaro and the 15 refresh on the mustang. The 19 Camaro refresh looks like pure garbage.

When I first saw the gen6 it was love. It looks good in any color. That is my number one marker of great car design for me. Its funny that the mid cycle refresh on the Gen5 made people very angry but yet 15 was the highest sales year for the gen5. Go figure. Maybe this uglest will sell.

[Overflow]

Originally Posted by Boost Creep

Lagging sales had nothing to do with the Camaros design, and everything to do with marketing.

GM just doesn't want to admit they have the worst marketing in automotive history.

While I agree that I have never seen a 6th gen major marketing ad.. I've also haven't seen a major Mustang marketing ploy since the last generation.

Take the Edsel for example. Ford poured billions into the car and it's marketing. Guess why it failed? Because a majority of America didn't like how it looked.

A car can fail purely because the public isn't into how a car looks.

[samurai]

Originally Posted by Overflow

While I agree that I have never seen a 6th gen major marketing ad.. I've also haven't seen a major Mustang marketing ploy since the last generation.

It's not only about tv spots. Just look how many press Releases the 18 Mustang got. It was like every 3 weeks another news (special packages, 0-60 time ads, Line Lock ads, Bullitt, etc) about the car, so everybody talked about it.

Just check Chevy media side how many stuff they got about the 6th Gen Camaro, it's like nothing. No videos that the press could share (remember this directly impacts how many online magazines report about the car), no real presentation of features of the car.

[thefirstcause]

Originally Posted by classicrockr

This is what they shoulda done....Attachment 929205

I like the merger of the 3rd gen 80s Camaro mixed with the 1st/5th/6gen styles. I agree with the Camaro team that the car shouldn't have abandoned the 1gen feel similar to how Porsche has never abandoned their look. If the 7th gen had some of that 3rd mixed in I'd fit it very cool. I've always had a soft spot for the 3rd gen.

[Corner carver]

The more pics that get posted the worse it looks...
Sad that people are already making excuses for it...

'if we do this and this then it doesn't look so bad'
Fail GM, just fail...the pre-refresh will be the car nearly everyone wants when looking at them second hand as toys to have fun with.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by WillTPIV

"No one ever likes a refresh... last time this forum blew up about the tail lights.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285117

62% in the poll here disliked..." -mlee.

Honestly this is truth. No one ever to my knowledge has ever liked refreshes. refreshes always get hate and then are loved in about 1-3 years. Just wait for the gen 7. Everyone will hate on it and then in 2024 people will love it. Its a cycle and GM isn't blind to it.

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Exactly, go back and read the comments in the link above, virtually the same as we have here, yet many ended up trading in their dated models to get the latest and greatest refresh. Same will happen here. Same thing occurred with the 15-17 Mustang owners trashing the 18, now many are trading in.

Suddenly you find yourself driving the old model, in the case of the A8, likely the slower model, the new A10 should be bad A!!. IMO great move by Chevy, should increase Camaro sales by not only attracting new Camaro owners but also present owners looking to trade up.

[Childs Play]

Originally Posted by Corner carver

The more pics that get posted the worse it looks...
Sad that people are already making excuses for it...

'if we do this and this then it doesn't look so bad'
Fail GM, just fail...the pre-refresh will be the car nearly everyone wants when looking at them second hand as toys to have fun with.

I have no interest in second hand cars. But I also have no interest in anything but a V8. Doesn't make my opinion or tastes right compared to yours. It's just my preference. An opinion is just that. An opinion.

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I cann't see how any one would want that front end. Hope they dont screw up the ZL1 as bad as that.

ZL1 front is not changing, only the rear. Just like the ‘14 refresh

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

ZL1 front is not changing, only the rear. Just like the ‘14 refresh

Thank God some one has sense in that company.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by Childs Play

I have no interest in second hand cars. But I also have no interest in anything but a V8. Doesn't make my opinion or tastes right compared to yours. It's just my preference. An opinion is just that. An opinion.

It's a good way of looking at everyone has their own opinion. As far as I'm concerned one place you can never get anything but a V8 is a pickup truck.

As far as the Camaro goes the V6 and turbo 4 are very viable options. There lighter and handle better than the V8. they're also quite quick and decent on gas.

Basically they're good for daily drivers

I love the V8 if it was mine would be nothing but a weekend warrior living in my garage like my old Z28

I used to take that car and beat on it for half an hour to an hour at a time and then put it away it was great stress relief.

And I will honestly say if they had a more reasonably priced V8 I would have bought that instead and daily driven it but it was just too much of a difference in price for a car I'm going to daily Drive

[Detroit Muscle]

So there has or hasn't been any pics of the SS 1LE yet??

[hyped1le]

This is pretty much it with the SS grille instead of RS grille

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5fc...1UOUE9.1-0.jpg

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Exactly, go back and read the comments in the link above, virtually the same as we have here, yet many ended up trading in their dated models to get the latest and greatest refresh. Same will happen here.

I don't know. While I wasn't crazy about the 5th gen MCE, it still had the same character. This SS front end is too drastically different IMO.

I slept on it. It's still terrible.