[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by waterman

GT500 will get a DCT. That is the game changer.

DF's will pay 25-50K over MSRP for a taste. As they did for the GT350R, they will ultimately lose their a**.

Torque converter ATMs (A10) will disappear in American made performance cars shortly after the introduction of the new Mustang. That tech (for Chevrolet) will be relegated to the Silverado, Colorado and Blazer.

I may be wrong... but I doubt it.

An LT5 with a combination of the upcoming C8 DCT, dropped into a Camaro; That has the potential to become the megastar that may ultimately become the 7 Gen Camaro ZL1. I seriously doubt that a pushrod V8 will be found in a mid engine C8. LT5 will be parts bin available. A front engine Gen 7 ZL1 in that configuration will smoke the GT500 and all of the hellcat Mopar's (road course, strip and street) especially on the Alpha2.

The C8 DOHC HO small displacement NA (I'm thinking the C8R's testing at Sebring, less the TTs) may move eventually to the next gen Z/28, DCT intact with all the fat stripped out; light and fast... Who wouldn't love to see that.

Of course, this is assuming that Camaro survives the restructuring at GM.

Just thinking out loud.

Point well taken, but the DCT doesn't change much. It's not like it's new tech.



Now, if the 500 would of came out with a 10 speed DCT, 3800lbs, CF goodies, over 800 HP, then it's a game changer. (I get it tho, that cost $) Maybe I was dreaming. haha. But all in all, it falls in line. I was hoping for a big splash, but it fell on it's face. IMO.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

I'm a Chevy guy and I think the GT500 is pretty impressive...770+ HP and a DCT? 3900 pounds? Every one of those stats beats the ZL1 and even an LT5 ZL1 if it existed so I'm not sure how the GT500 is unimpressive unless all of our ZL1s are just old and outdated junk. I'm sure the ZL1 and especially ZLE will still out perform them on a road course but that may be all.

I'm usually a naysayer when somebody releases a new car and they somewhat failed to give everybody what they wanted. For example, I was and am probably the biggest Demon BS-flag-waver there is and in my opinion, rightfully so because it's an overhyped, overinflated, 4500 pig that is not special in the slightest.

However the GT500 has the potential to be a great car...It has the potential to handle like a GT350R or better with more power than any GM production vehicle and a DCT to boot. Looks pretty good to me.

Will the Gen 7 Camaros and C8 Corvettes slap it back to the 1900s? Probably. Especially the C8. However if we believe history is the greatest prediction of the future, Ford could mid-cycle refresh the new GT500 to over 800 HP and the Gen 7 ZL1 may come out with less than that like it did with the 2013-2014 GT500 and the 2017+ ZL1.

Honestly, I think the part where EVERYBODY, especially Dodge, keeps missing the mark on is WEIGHT. Only the European/British car manufacturers have been able to figure it out - and granted it reflects in the price tag. Less weight = less need for power, brakes, tires, aero, structure etc. I do fear the C8 will just progress further into the 3500+ pound class. With the C7 ZR1 already being, in my opinion, too heavy at 3600+, it's getting into pony car class. The C6 Z06 and ZR1 are still VERY formidable street/track machines and I attribute a lot of that to weight. A C6 Z can tip the scales at a mere 3000-3100 pounds - add a Heads/Cam package to them and they will outrun bolt on ZL1s with ease despite the transmission disadvantage.

Anyways, I could shoot the breeze about this all day long...

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

I'm a Chevy guy and I think the GT500 is pretty impressive...770+ HP and a DCT? 3900 pounds? Every one of those stats beats the ZL1 and even an LT5 ZL1 if it existed so I'm not sure how the GT500 is unimpressive unless all of our ZL1s are just old and outdated junk. I'm sure the ZL1 and especially ZLE will still out perform them on a road course but that may be all.

I'm usually a naysayer when somebody releases a new car and they somewhat failed to give everybody what they wanted. For example, I was and am probably the biggest Demon BS-flag-waver there is and in my opinion, rightfully so because it's an overhyped, overinflated, 4500 pig that is not special in the slightest.

However the GT500 has the potential to be a great car...It has the potential to handle like a GT350R or better with more power than any GM production vehicle and a DCT to boot. Looks pretty good to me.

Will the Gen 7 Camaros and C8 Corvettes slap it back to the 1900s? Probably. Especially the C8. However if we believe history is the greatest prediction of the future, Ford could mid-cycle refresh the new GT500 to over 800 HP and the Gen 7 ZL1 may come out with less than that like it did with the 2013-2014 GT500 and the 2017+ ZL1.

Honestly, I think the part where EVERYBODY, especially Dodge, keeps missing the mark on is WEIGHT. Only the European/British car manufacturers have been able to figure it out - and granted it reflects in the price tag. Less weight = less need for power, brakes, tires, aero, structure etc. I do fear the C8 will just progress further into the 3500+ pound class. With the C7 ZR1 already being, in my opinion, too heavy at 3600+, it's getting into pony car class. The C6 Z06 and ZR1 are still VERY formidable street/track machines and I attribute a lot of that to weight. A C6 Z can tip the scales at a mere 3000-3100 pounds - add a Heads/Cam package to them and they will outrun bolt on ZL1s with ease despite the transmission disadvantage.

Anyways, I could shoot the breeze about this all day long...

Pulley it down/tune/e85 and it's in the 800's. Not bad.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

GM says they don't limit the Camaro anymore.

I would say they don't intentionally limit it, but in reality it is limited by what Corvette gets

On the topic at hand, no I don't expect the LT5 to come to the Camaro. Here is my reasoning.

1. I believe the LT5 will be a Corvette exclusive to send the C7 out in style as the baddest front engine vette ever produced.

2. Past history says they won't. They had the LS9 available in the 5th gen, and when you had the 662HP GT500, they stood pat with the 580HP LSA.

3. Going back as far as I can recall in the modern era, the Camaro has never had the same top engine as the Corvette at the same time.

4th gen never got the LS6,
5th gen never got the LS9 & only got the LS7 AFTER Corvette was done using it.
6th Gen so far nothing indicates getting the LT-5

So no, I do not see the Camaro getting the LT5

[BoostinFD]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

I'm a Chevy guy and I think the GT500 is pretty impressive...770+ HP and a DCT? 3900 pounds?

I think you're overestimating, a bit... It probably won't be more than 720hp and it's around 4300lbs.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

3. Going back as far as I can recall in the modern era, the Camaro has never had the same top engine as the Corvette at the same time.

This was accurate until the new LT platform.

C7 Z06 and ZL1 were available with the LT4 at the same time before the ZR1 was even announced.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by BoostinFD

I think you're overestimating, a bit... It probably won't be more than 720hp and it's around 4300lbs.

Agreed, all the real world speculation I've read is 4250-4300lbs and the same 720hp you allude to.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by BoostinFD

I think you're overestimating, a bit... It probably won't be more than 720hp and it's around 4300lbs.

Maybe. The article I read put that number in there, all Ford has said is at least 700 HP so I guess we will see. 4300 pounds seems excessive. The GT500 has always been a little lighter than the ZL1 and I expect the same here. A coupe ZL1 just squeaks in under 4000 but most are over 4000 wet with the driver in it.

But even so. 700 HP, DCT, and 4000 pounds? All of those stats beat/tie the current ZL1.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

This was accurate until the new LT platform.

C7 Z06 and ZL1 were available with the LT4 at the same time before the ZR1 was even announced.

Ok you got me there, so we can tag that one with an * because Corvette eventually came a long with the LT5

[Squatch]

I think the 6th Gen Camaro is done, they might add software updates here and there (like the supposedly Drag tune that came out), but as far as the LT5, no to much R&D to invest to make it work. Al'O claimed about the Corvette not being protected any longer, but that's simply not true. The ZR1 has had a exclusive engine with more power than any other Camaro/Corvette.
I just hope the Gen7 Camaro lives at this point, and maybe with corvette going Mid engine we will finally see more improvements, but I have a feeling the Camaros days are numbered :(

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

Maybe. The article I read put that number in there, all Ford has said is at least 700 HP so I guess we will see. 4300 pounds seems excessive. The GT500 has always been a little lighter than the ZL1 and I expect the same here. A coupe ZL1 just squeaks in under 4000 but most are over 4000 wet with the driver in it.

But even so. 700 HP, DCT, and 4000 pounds? All of those stats beat/tie the current ZL1.

The 5th gen was heavier than the S197 chassis, version for version.

The 6th gen is lighter than the S550 chassis, version for version.

Based on this, the GT500 should come in right around 4250lbs.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Ok you got me there, so we can tag that one with an * because Corvette eventually came a long with the LT5

The issue with your asterisk is that Al O. specifically said that ever since the 6th gen, the Camaro team has full access to any and all powertrain combinations in GM's arsenal.

So it made sense, and we all agree the Corvette team ensured the Camaro team would never get their level of power prior to the 6th gen...

I'm not saying an LT5 6th gen is going to happen, I'm only hopeful as this new GT500 will most certainly be quicker in a straight line.

[bobby35ny]

I know it will NOT happen but.....
Lets face it, ford knows exactly what the HP number is. and people in the industry talk all the time. GM knows exactly what the HP number is in the ford TODAY just like ford knows.

I'd love to see GM pull a fast one, ford announces lets say 740hp next month then in the fall GM announces we tweaked our LT4 blower and fueling and now its making 745, LOL

just like ford did to us in 2013

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

The issue with your asterisk is that Al O. specifically said that ever since the 6th gen, the Camaro team has full access to any and all powertrain combinations in GM's arsenal.

So it made sense, and we all agree the Corvette team ensured the Camaro team would never get their level of power prior to the 6th gen...

I'm not saying an LT5 6th gen is going to happen, I'm only hopeful as this new GT500 will most certainly be quicker in a straight line.

Fair enough. I will stand by my other points as to why I don't see it happening. Another point I should have mentioned, is that historically the ZR-1 engine has never went in anything else other than a ZR-1 Corvette.