[trademaster]

Originally Posted by Stew

This and MUCH MUCH stricter and MUCH higher higher MPG requirements, is i not like 54MPG average by like 2025 with huge increases starting in 2016?

The combined EPA rated fuel economy you see on the window sticker of a new car is different from the lab tested CAFE ratings you are talking about. By the MPG ratings you are accustomed to seeing (EPA, not CAFE), for 2025 large passenger cars will need to average 34mpg while smaller ones will need to average 43. Small trucks 37, large trucks 23.

The CAFE ratings make the change seem much more dramatic because they are inherently higher than what we are used to seeing. Current CAFE requirements in terms of CAFE tested MPG ratings are 36 for small cars and 28 for large cars, while being 27 and 21 respectively in EPA tested ratings. EPA and CAFE mpg ratings are two totally different figures, don't confuse them.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by trademaster

The combined EPA rated fuel economy you see on the window sticker of a new car is different from the lab tested CAFE ratings you are talking about. By the MPG ratings you are accustomed to seeing (EPA, not CAFE), for 2025 large passenger cars will need to average 34mpg while smaller ones will need to average 43. Small trucks 37, large trucks 23.

The CAFE ratings make the change seem much more dramatic because they are inherently higher than what we are used to seeing. Current CAFE requirements in terms of CAFE tested MPG ratings are 36 for small cars and 28 for large cars, while being 27 and 21 respectively in EPA tested ratings. EPA and CAFE mpg ratings are two totally different figures, don't confuse them.

I know they are 2 very different numbers and that the ones the requirements are actually on equal considerably lower numbers on the window stickers, but hat is still a very hefty jump and will affect what is built, or at least how it is offered.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by Stew

Give it time, CHallenger is going to a different platform for 15, though at this point it will still be the same size and probably weight, but will be getting that SCed Hemi and will finally be able to use the 8 speed auto. THe Cuda should appear eventually on a much smaller and lighter platform that will be shared with Alfa and could even spawn a RWD sedan replacement for the Avenger. I do hate the fact that manufacturers think they need to hold cars back to protect other cars that really have nothing to do with each other. Honestly, if the Challenger has the same HP as the Viper it is still going to be slower because of weight and really who is crossshopping them? Same with the Viper and Ferrari, who would cross shop them? Also that it happens with Camaro/Vette to. It would have been awesome if GM would offer at least a version of the ZL1 with the full on LS9 to really chomp at the GT500.

Yeah as much as I like the vette and I like the looks(but hate the sound) of a viper sometimes I wish they were gone so that the camaro and challenger could run wild like the gt500.


































Ok maybe just the viper because I REALLY like the new vette.....

[Android42019]

Hmmm...I think I may need to get me one of these babies down the road....

[Stew]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Yeah as much as I like the vette and I like the looks(but hate the sound) of a viper sometimes I wish they were gone so that the camaro and challenger could run wild like the gt500.



Ok maybe just the viper because I REALLY like the new vette.....

Shoot, no need to kill either one, they just need to realize that if both are good cars it doesn't matter if the ponies are running as much power as their sports cars. If both are good then they are not really going to be stealing sales from each other.

[ChrisBlair]

Love the Challengers but hp numbers don't give me the fantods

What's the gearing like? Torque under the curve at real-world rpms like I'd see when actually driving and not staying on the cam all day?

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[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Love the Challengers but hp numbers don't give me the fantods

What's the gearing like? Torque under the curve at real-world rpms like I'd see when actually driving and not staying on the cam all day?

Is this not good enough for a N/A bone stock car?

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...no-tested.html

[Chubby]

Lol funny stuff here. All the mud slinging.

I have a Challenger. It's only the lowly 5.7 Hemi. Bone stock. I had a 2SS/RS LS3. Stock for stock the Camaro was faster and handled maybe a little better. Both did very well for fat pigs.

Big picture... Challenger is a better car BUT you can't really compare the two. Totally different animals.