[MBSS1LE]

If you have ever worked for an assembly plant, you know that there are going to be some miles put on a car before it ever sees the dealership. Cars are driven from the assembly plant to staging areas. Then from staging areas to transportation areas, then driven onto transports, then perhaps driven off one from of transport onto another (i.e. rail-to-truck). From there, they are driven off the trucks onto the dealer lot/staging area (which in many cases could be a distance away form the actual showroom.

People complaining about having more than 2-3 miles on a car prior to taking delivery are not living in reality. It is equally naive to present your car when selling it as having "never seen rain/snow". In all likely hood, it saw one or both before you ever took delivery.

[BlaqWhole]

A handful of miles is fine. I personally do not like it when that happens on a vehicle that is ordered. But it is what it is. However someone mentioned 15-20 miles being on the new GT500s and that is completely unacceptable. An ordered car costing as much as the GT500s cost and the dealership tacking on a markup on top of that, and then to give you the keys with 15 miles on it, that is a slap in the face if you ask me. That means someone took the car for a joyride for sure. I do not see any acceptable way that car should be handed over to it's owner with that many miles. After that kind of money the dealership owner or the manager should personally be making sure that the owner is present (if possible) when that car gets to the dealership. Maybe I sound a bit petty but we're not talking about a $30K Kia SUV here. We're talking about a car that after options and taxes and tags and markups is probably $90K+ for the Base model. At 15-20 miles I'm handing the keys back, voiding the sale, and taking my business elsewhere.

[MBSS1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

An ordered car costing as much as the GT500s cost and the dealership tacking on a markup on top of that, and then to give you the keys with 15 miles on it, that is a slap in the face if you ask me. That means someone took the car for a joyride for sure. I do not see any acceptable way that car should be handed over to it's owner with that many miles. After that kind of money the dealership owner or the manager should personally be making sure that the owner is present (if possible) when that car gets to the dealership. At 15-20 miles I'm handing the keys back, voiding the sale, and taking my business elsewhere.

The cost of the car in question has no bearing on the mileage on it when it is received. Again, this is not a situation where you can order a car and take delivery at the site of manufacture. There are going to be miles on your car when you buy it.

There are way too many factors to consider between the vehicle rolling off the assembly line and getting to your dealer to make the assumption that having more than 5 miles on the odometer means it has been taken for some sort of joyride.

And no, if your ordered a car, waited for it to be built and then found 10-15 miles on the odometer, you're not going to void the sale and begin the process all over again at another dealer. In all likelihood, you would have the same thing happen again. Maybe you would, I don't know, but 99.9% of buyers are not going to be that sensitive to that level of mileage on a new car.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by MBSS1LE

If you have ever worked for an assembly plant, you know that there are going to be some miles put on a car before it ever sees the dealership. Cars are driven from the assembly plant to staging areas. Then from staging areas to transportation areas, then driven onto transports, then perhaps driven off one from of transport onto another (i.e. rail-to-truck). From there, they are driven off the trucks onto the dealer lot/staging area (which in many cases could be a distance away form the actual showroom.

People complaining about having more than 2-3 miles on a car prior to taking delivery are not living in reality. It is equally naive to present your car when selling it as having "never seen rain/snow". In all likely hood, it saw one or both before you ever took delivery.

Yep, and with larger lots (in Ford's case) comes more miles. It's all good, I was happy to see 3 on the odometer when I picked it up. To me that signifies it was ONLY driven for transport and no dealer joy rides. From what I understand transport mode has a top speed of only 8 mph, so not much they can do loading/unloading onto the trains or moving them on the lots if needed.

[BlaqWhole]

I didn't realize the SRT Super Stock was available for purchase already. That thing is menacing.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I didn't realize the SRT Super Stock was available for purchase already. That thing is menacing.

I keep wondering how long they had to tweak the tune to have the car make exactly one less hp than the Demon

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I didn't realize the SRT Super Stock was available for purchase already. That thing is menacing.

An American factory car with over 800 (officially) hp and a full warranty - unbelievable to think that's where things are compared to when I was a young car lover! I know the Demon came first, but still, crazy to think about.

Originally Posted by arpad_m

I keep wondering how long they had to tweak the tune to have the car make exactly one less hp than the Demon

Maybe they put a slight, very small raised notch in the intake to reduce airflow by 0.1%, to reduce hp by a requisite amount! Kidding, obviously 808 to 807 hp is less than the rounding error on engine output, and Dodge used 807 hp as to not rain on the Demon's parade.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

OK - ZL1 vs base GT500: Who here has driven both? The ZL1 is a precise machine, powerful, "torquey", and has great steering and strong brakes. I've also read in great detail about the development of the ZL1 and GM put a lot of effort and engineering into it, both on the exterior with the aero, cooling, and the powertrain.

I'm just curious how the GT500 feels in all performance aspects compared to the ZL1 - if one were to drive them back to back. Now just power, but driving characteristics, torque, handling, precision, steering, brakes, etc.

I can't imagine it feeling any better in handling characteristics and precision than the ZL1, despite it being a massive jump up (according to the reviews and what people on M6G say) from a GT PP1 w/ MagneRide line mine.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

OK - ZL1 vs base GT500: Who here has driven both? The ZL1 is a precise machine, powerful, "torquey", and has great steering and strong brakes. I've also read in great detail about the development of the ZL1 and GM put a lot of effort and engineering into it, both on the exterior with the aero, cooling, and the powertrain.

I'm just curious how the GT500 feels in all performance aspects compared to the ZL1 - if one were to drive them back to back. Now just power, but driving characteristics, torque, handling, precision, steering, brakes, etc.

I can't imagine it feeling any better in handling characteristics and precision than the ZL1, despite it being a massive jump up (according to the reviews and what people on M6G say) from a GT PP1 w/ MagneRide line mine.

I have only driven a ZLE (2018 M6), so I can't comment on the GT500. Just going off reviews from the Mags and actual GT500 owners and comparison videos, I believe it will take the CFTP to equal the ZL1's handling and driving characteristics, precision, steering and brakes.

[Martinjlm]

Went to Lapeer International Dragway today. Temps were in the high 50s, low 60s. DA in the 850-900 range. My second pass I’m lined up with a GT500. I’m thinking I’m gonna get my skull crushed. Make no mistake, I got nicely toasted, but nowhere near as bad as I expected. 11.25 to 12.31.

He is completely stock. My mods are listed in my signature, but for the record...

• GM Performance CAI
• Tony Mamo V2 Ported TB
• Kooks 1-7/8” long tubes
• Vector Performance Flex Tune
• Running E85

Intake and exhaust after the headers are stock.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Went to Lapeer International Dragway today. Temps were in the high 50s, low 60s. DA in the 850-900 range. My second pass I’m lined up with a GT500. I’m thinking I’m gonna get my skull crushed. Make no mistake, I got nicely toasted, but nowhere near as bad as I expected. 11.25 to 12.31.

He is completely stock. My mods are listed in my signature, but for the record...

• GM Performance CAI
• Tony Mamo V2 Ported TB
• Kooks 1-7/8” long tubes
• Vector Performance Flex Tune
• Running E85

Intake and exhaust after the headers are stock.

132 MPH trap speed...he was moving!!

[s346k]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

132 MPH trap speed...he was moving!!

gt500 appears to be stock?

id be more concerned with a bolt on/ethanol camaro (a8 i presume) being slower than a stock one.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by s346k

gt500 appears to be stock?

id be more concerned with a bolt on/ethanol camaro (a8 i presume) being slower than a stock one.

I beat every 6th Gen I ran yesterday, stock or not. And don’t forget, being a convertible I’m carrying a couple hundred extra pounds. The only time I lost against a 6th Gen yesterday it was an LT1, stock except 305s on the rear instead of the factory 245s. I clowned him the first time we ran, then I showed him how to use his launch control and he caught me at the line. Being an LT1 he’s much lighter than my convertible. The two ScatPacks that were there couldn’t get out of the 13s. And one of them was on Mickey Thompsons. I don’t mind being slower than the magazine numbers if I’m faster on the track where it counts. That’s why comparing different days / different tracks tends to go nowhere.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I beat every 6th Gen I ran yesterday, stock or not. And don’t forget, being a convertible I’m carrying a couple hundred extra pounds. The only time I lost against a 6th Gen yesterday it was an LT1, stock except 305s on the rear instead of the factory 245s. I clowned him the first time we ran, then I showed him how to use his launch control and he caught me at the line. Being an LT1 he’s much lighter than my convertible. The two ScatPacks that were there couldn’t get out of the 13s. And one of them was on Mickey Thompsons. I don’t mind being slower than the magazine numbers if I’m faster on the track where it counts. That’s why comparing different days / different tracks tends to go nowhere.

Glad to hear you helped out that LT1 owner - that's what racing is all about! Sounds like you had a great day