03-12-2022, 02:47 PM | #393 | |
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I think getting the SS colling ducts may make sense. Also vented pistons wouldn't hurt. Top shelf fluid. Many like the shims, but ya, the heat doesnt just "poof disappear". You'll know very soon if ya pull into a paddock and your wheels are smoking. Or the pedal gets longer. If the latter: dont push it, as next step is complete loss of pressure (as in once you boil the fluid - it is done). PS Personally, I dont know what type of track events Ken is into. How often. Or what mods he's done. Or how fast he is. Etc. Etc. So, unless I know somebody elses situation first hand and in detail terms, I do not get swayed by their choices too much, because folks also tend to "swear" by their personal choices. Ive tried high torque pads based on feedback posted on this forum and boiled the fluid in 2 laps. So, it all depends on many, many variables and is never a binary choice. All IMO of course. |
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03-14-2022, 02:41 PM | #394 | |
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One thing that was pointed out was avoiding Ti shims. The reason being as it is seen as a band-aid to an issue and causes a scenario that sorta ends up working against your efforts/in compromise towards the issue of heat. The Ti shims do help reduce heat transfer into your caliper/brake fluid, but that heat gets held back into the pads and rotor; when you do that, you may be pushing your rotors and pads beyond or to the limit of their thermal capacity. What was indicated is that you then need to ensure your pads can deal with the held heat, and you may end up with accelerated wear still (spending more high-end pads and/or more often). With the rotors, if your are having high-heat issues at the caliper, and you elect to use something like Ti shims to hold heat from being transferred that way, you are likely already at a very high-heat scenario at the rotor anyway, and now you are holding more in - you are at a point where you really should be considering larger/thicker rotors... Pagid recommended this base approach: 1st: Pads capable to the heat needs and compatibility to the tires to be used and/or ABS. In conjunction, the best possible brake fluid you can find, targeting dry boiling point as primary. If you can, utilizing rotors with the most thermal mass that will fit the existing system or best cooling capability. 2nd: Brake cooling (ducts, deflectors, vented pistons). Something to consider: thicker pads. 3rd: Larger brake system (thicker and/or increased diameter rotors with matched calipers in coordination). |
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03-14-2022, 02:47 PM | #395 | |
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03-14-2022, 02:53 PM | #396 |
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FYI, I am planning to test, on my car, how effective the C7 vented pistons are in reducing temp on these Camaros (SS 1LE, J6M brakes and SS track deflectors, pads will either be DS2500 or DS1.11).
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03-14-2022, 05:33 PM | #397 | |
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03-17-2022, 03:34 PM | #398 |
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https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603403
Posted this in the other part of the forums. Shows pictures of my Carbotech XP12 pads after about 650 miles at VIR(Fullx2 days, Northx1 day). |
03-18-2022, 01:16 PM | #399 | |
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Thanks for your posts. Completely agree with what you said. I have a set of shims, but have never used them because I had a rudimentary understanding that the heat has to go somewhere and back into pad/rotor is the only place. As I begin to push for time, I’m slowly investigating areas I can make small changes for big benefit. I think the 1LE brake is excellent and really doesn’t need my help. SRF and OEM pads have me comfortably in the 2:2X’s at Sebring. But I have noticed as I gain the confidence to brake later, I begin to get a bit of fade at the end of a session.
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03-18-2022, 08:09 PM | #400 |
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C7 ZO6/GS vented pistons are the same diameters as the Gen 6 SS 1LE and ZL1, 30/34/38mm. Many Gen5 SS 1LE guys who ran the Brembo 6 pots did the C7 vented pistons, either buying the C7 caliper (me) or adding the vented pistons.
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03-19-2022, 08:05 AM | #401 |
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FYI - the J56 / J6M front pistons are same diameter as J6H / J57 but are shorter by I think it was 2mm. I’ll try to dig up an old thread with pics.
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05-02-2022, 09:35 PM | #402 |
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Can anyone comment if these stoptech sport pads will work in the rear calipers of a SS 1LE? I have a couple sets of stoptech sports from my previous car. The front look like a direct fit but wasn't sure about the rear.
Stoptech Sport 309.10530 Inner Pad Height mm 69.3 Inner Pad Thick w/o Shim mm 14.6 Outer Pad Width 109.7 Outer Pad Height 69.3 Outer Pad Thick w/o Shim mm 14.6 https://centricparts.com/part-detail...t&model=camaro I was comparing the specs to Ferodo ds1.11 and it looks like the pad height might be 6mm higher. The front pads i have are 309.14051. Not sure if i will track these or just use them for daily duty. Since i have them around i'd like to use them.
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05-30-2022, 08:41 PM | #403 |
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Vented pistons for the fronts are working great. Don't need Ti shims anymore
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05-31-2022, 01:42 PM | #404 |
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06-01-2022, 06:39 AM | #405 |
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Part number on the vented pistons? My front calipers are long overdue for a rebuild, might as well swap these in.
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11-15-2022, 01:27 PM | #406 |
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Interesting read. My conclusion so far - since it is winter, I can stick to stock brake pads. Had 2 track days on 2022 SS 1lE, no brake fade. A lot of dust. Great stopping power. But temperature was between 35-45 during both days, and it won't get warmer where I am.
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