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2SSRS@Gen5diy · 01-14-2021, 12:22 PM

We where working on one of our Z/28 yesterday, we are adding a live mirror to the old 5th gen out of the 6gen cars with a mirror out of a truck ( fits the 5th gen) but at the same time i was looking at why this car (has headers) does not like to start.

We added a ground strap from the starter to the side of the body, and that helped but it still hung up after one turn then will kick in and start, that was on a full charged battery.

so now we where looking at the battery side of the problem, and what we found is the ground strap from GM, that goes from the battery to the body is nice looking but that's all, its covered in rubber and all you get is the little point of contact, where the bolt goes true for ground, so we added a second ground strap like the one we did up front.

All i can say is its better then when it was new car, will post videos next week of before and after, you can do this in 15 min, one last thing this is the OEM battery so its 6 going on 7 years old.

AustexaSS · 01-14-2021, 12:30 PM

Awesome, thanks!

Coz3z3 · 01-14-2021, 12:37 PM

When you added the second one in the back, did you connect it from the battery to the body? Or from the existing bolt to another point on the body? Or replace the whole GM ground strap? Thanks!

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 01-14-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coz3z3

When you added the second one in the back, did you connect it from the battery to the body? Or from the existing bolt to another point on the body? Or replace the whole GM ground strap? Thanks!

Like i said we will post videos soon, have to go test drive that Z/28 for the live mirror now.

olblue75 · 01-14-2021, 03:37 PM

So you have a mirror upgrade for my 5th Gen!?!?

Fast.Freddie · 01-14-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

Like i said we will post videos soon, have to go test drive that Z/28 for the live mirror now.

Subscribed! Live mirror would be killer !

69L48Z27 · 01-14-2021, 06:41 PM

What is a ‘live mirror’?

Coz3z3 · 01-14-2021, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 69L48Z27

What is a ‘live mirror’?

I think it’s the backup mirror but instead of the camera taking a portion of the mirror, it looks to turn the whole mirror to a screen that displays the rear camera. Also it looks like it can be turned on and off whenever desired. I just would hate to get rid of the frameless look our mirrors have

69L48Z27 · 01-14-2021, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coz3z3

I think it’s the backup mirror but instead of the camera taking a portion of the mirror, it looks to turn the whole mirror to a screen that displays the rear camera. Also it looks like it can be turned on and off whenever desired. I just would hate to get rid of the frameless look our mirrors have

Ah, got it. The new C8 have that. Rear camera image is the entire mirror all the time.

Thx!

young51 · 01-19-2021, 12:16 PM

Any updates on the video or the ground strap replacement pics?
thanks

saluki · 01-19-2021, 12:57 PM

It great that the grounds helped but they are likely just a temporary fix. Its a pretty well known issue for starters to crap on cars that have long tubes. I would expect to be replacing that starter within the next year.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 01-19-2021, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saluki

It great that the grounds helped but they are likely just a temporary fix. Its a pretty well known issue for starters to crap on cars that have long tubes. I would expect to be replacing that starter within the next year.

I have 7500Mi with long tubs on one car, and maybe 40 track days now, and it stars better then new, its still with the OEM battery (7 years old).

SIM GhostrdrZ · 01-19-2021, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

I have 7500Mi with long tubs on one car, and maybe 40 track days now, and it stars better then new, its still with the OEM battery (7 years old).

Did you happen to take ohm readings from your factory grounding from negative battery terminal to starter vs. after you had made all the improvements?

Thanks

MontanaZ28 · 01-19-2021, 04:06 PM

If you make the kit we will buy it. Both the ground cable and the mirror. Cant see shit out of a Camaro.

01-14-2021, 12:22 PM	#1
2SSRS@Gen5diy Drives: 2014 Z/28 #82+#192, 18ZLE 66Nova Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	Slow starting cars We where working on one of our Z/28 yesterday, we are adding a live mirror to the old 5th gen out of the 6gen cars with a mirror out of a truck ( fits the 5th gen) but at the same time i was looking at why this car (has headers) does not like to start. We added a ground strap from the starter to the side of the body, and that helped but it still hung up after one turn then will kick in and start, that was on a full charged battery. so now we where looking at the battery side of the problem, and what we found is the ground strap from GM, that goes from the battery to the body is nice looking but that's all, its covered in rubber and all you get is the little point of contact, where the bolt goes true for ground, so we added a second ground strap like the one we did up front. All i can say is its better then when it was new car, will post videos next week of before and after, you can do this in 15 min, one last thing this is the OEM battery so its 6 going on 7 years old.

01-14-2021, 03:37 PM	#5
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,063	So you have a mirror upgrade for my 5th Gen!?!? __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

01-19-2021, 12:57 PM	#11
saluki Drives: 2017 Silverado Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Muncie Posts: 217	It great that the grounds helped but they are likely just a temporary fix. Its a pretty well known issue for starters to crap on cars that have long tubes. I would expect to be replacing that starter within the next year. __________________ '14 2SS A6, CAI, 2" TSP Headers and tune: SOLD '13 SS @ Burkhart Chassis

01-14-2021, 12:30 PM	#2
AustexaSS Build Date - Dec 08, 2014 Drives: 2015 Z/28, #1007, Black A/C Stereo Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 197	Awesome, thanks!

01-14-2021, 12:37 PM	#3
Coz3z3 Drives: 2015 Z/28, 2015 1LE Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Nevada Posts: 583	When you added the second one in the back, did you connect it from the battery to the body? Or from the existing bolt to another point on the body? Or replace the whole GM ground strap? Thanks!

01-14-2021, 06:41 PM	#7
69L48Z27 Drives: 2015 Z/28; 1969 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: York, PA Posts: 805	What is a ‘live mirror’?

01-19-2021, 12:16 PM	#10
young51 Drives: 2015 z/28 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Bay Area Posts: 39	Any updates on the video or the ground strap replacement pics? thanks

01-19-2021, 04:06 PM	#14
MontanaZ28 Drives: 2015 Z28 Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Montana Posts: 8	If you make the kit we will buy it. Both the ground cable and the mirror. Cant see shit out of a Camaro.